I played with one of these for a few minutes the other day at perfect circuit and was really impressed with the sensitivity and build quality.

How have people been finding the touché cv controls in a modular context?

I really want one of these but there’s still no Windows app, booo!

I saw there is now a cheaper version of the Touche’, without hardware MIDI, without CV outputs (ie. only a USB connector), and with a plastic rather than wooden plate, for $229 rather than $399:

This is dramatically cheaper, though it’s also much less useful without the MIDI and cv connectivity… I would have thought they could have at least left in the MIDI in/out.

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the original has been for sale ($250) at the moma store for months: https://store.moma.org/tech/home-electronics/touché-instrument/124572-124572.html#q=touche&lang=default&start=7

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Whoa hot tip! Just picked one up via Moma. Thanks @tehn!

What do people think of it? Anyone tried it and not liked it, or had technical problems?

I tried one briefly at Knobcon 2017 but didn’t like what it was doing – chances are good that was at least partially the patch though, and at $400 I wasn’t going to investigate that closely. But at around $250 it seems more like something I’d be willing to try.

At least according to the website it supports Windows 10… I have Windows 7 on my DAW, but 10 on a laptop so I suppose I could do the setup and then switch it over. It also looks like there’s an alternate method for firmware updates.

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I saw a Touché at my local music shop last week, and decided to give it a test, and was really pleasantly surprised at how it felt to play. It was the sort of thing that, “on paper”, seemed a bit lack-luster, or something that I just didn’t get what the big deal about it was…

Actually playing with it a bit changed my perspective quite a bit. I can’t speak to longer-term usage, or where exactly it’d fit into a setup, but it’s certainly a great interface for feeling sounds, rather than thinking them.

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I thought about it while at work, decided to get one, came home, found out that they had sold out.

Let this be a lesson to you, kids: never think about anything.

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I guess that settles one decision for me.

I love mine. Bought one right after trying it out at Moogfest 2017. The feel is super amazing and natural. It plays nice with my modular, standalone midi synths and my plug in based synths.

Has anyone had a chance to compare the SE’s polycarbonate surface with the non-SE’s wooden surface? I wonder if there’s a non-negligible difference in how the different surfaces feel to play

Expressive E sent both models to me for coverage. It’s close to negligible, but not quite! I find the wood has ever so slightly more friction to it. Still super smooth to play though, more than I expected from first looking at it.

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@andrewhuang I think you’ve also had some experience with MPE instruments like Roli’s? I’d love to hear a comparison.

I’m a Linnstrument player myself, and I wonder if there’s any point in looking into this. I do love pulling rich expression out of digital instruments.

No hands on experience with Linnstrument but from what I’ve read it’s got very similar capabilities to Roli stuff (5 expression dimensions). I’d guess the decision between those two would mainly come down to your preference between the grid and the traditional keys layout.

Pros for these devices: distinct expression control over multiple pads/keys, vibrato is natural and pleasant to perform, Roli keys let you slide over to any other key.

Cons: I can only speak to Roli but I find their surfaces have more friction than I’d like. Also they require more force than regular keyboard keys.

Touche shares many of the same expression possibilities but is also in its own sort of category. You could think of it as being able to control almost four mod wheels at once. “Almost” because the left and right shiftings are mutually exclusive, and the top and bottom ones are semi-connected (depending how close to the center you’re applying pressure).

Pros for Touche: You can be more accurate with expression as it’s a larger tool with adjustable firmness. You can do more expression-things at a time (with Roli it’s not really comfortable to do a manual vibrato and a forward slide at the same time, for example). There’s a really nice percussive/stab trick with Touche where you can have a patch that doesn’t sound unless Touche receives pressure, letting you simply hold down chords on your keyboard and just tap Touche to trigger all notes perfectly simultaneously - your position and pressure produce all kinds of expression but you don’t have the sloppiness of the individual note attacks coming at slightly different times.

Cons: There is, of course, no per-note expression. Depending on your setup it could be awkward live - you need USB to power it and a table to put it on. It’s small enough that giving it its own stand of some kind could be weird but it’s large enough that you probably won’t find room to just plonk it down on the surface of your keyboard controller.

Depending on what you’re trying to do Touche could really shine in conjunction with another expressive controller. For me it’s going to be taking over mod wheel duties wherever possible.

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Thanks! That really helps.

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I was lucky enough to win one of those perfect circuit contests a while back, and the original Touche was the prize. It’s very cool - it can take some time to get it set up how you want it, and you have to find a space for it in your setup that works ergonomically, but it is so expressive (go figure) and just feels great to use. This thread is making me want to find ways to use it more.

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can second andrew about the roli… i bought and return a seaboard block in one day because of how hard i had to work the keys for expressiveness… it actually kinda hurt my hands after a while and ultimately felt like a regular keyboard that was just harder to play. surprisingly very subtle movements aren’t like what you think they would be. looks like the touché is a lot more sensitive, judging by the demos.

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Got mine tonight and made a few quick aalto presets. Extremely responsive! Really brings the software to life.

A very happy camper here. Thanks again @tehn for the MoMA tip!

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I’ve played a roli a couple of times and have a touché, you are spot on - the touché is very responsive whereas the roli felt like a bit of a finger-exercise-from-hell, though I did like the output that resulted.

I also just love the aesthetics of the touché, so much so that I leave it as desktop art when I’m not using it.

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The good news is, it’s back in stock.

The bad news is, it’s $399 again.