#32

I think it would almost be too pretty and make my other gear look less so!

#33

If you’re primarily using this tabletop on a send, what about Korg Kaoss Pad? It’s old and not so sexy as the boutique pedals, but it brings fantastic playability to stutter style effects, and it’s stereo.

E.g.: https://youtu.be/QE64rvHNfAA

Another one that should be worth a look is Empress Zoia. AFAIK there are different stutter/granular patches for it. The internal modulation capabilities open the door to musical variation in stutter behavior that should run circles around dedicated stutter pedal used on their own. And if you get into making custom patches you might reach all the stutter heavens you dream of for all eternity…

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#34

This ancient secret weapon stays with me always. The grain FX make the device worth the cost of entry but it can produce many other excellent FX. The Dub Delay reigns supreme in my imagination.

The true ancient secret of the Kaoss Pad 3 is the mic input’s pre-amp which sounds incredible when overdriven.

Now I have divulged all my secrets.

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#35

For some reason I just don’t like the Kaoss pad, might be the look of it :slight_smile: The Zoia I thought about but I don’t want more menu diving in my OTB setup.

That said, I haven’t ruled out ever getting it as I can imagine its endless possibilities.

The Microcosm is another one that could be an option but I’ve yet to really see a video on its stutter stuff that convinces me.

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#36

Microcosm seems like a fantastic option tbh. It seems to bring a ton of variation to the stutter theme. The demos seem to blunt the edge off the stutter with reverb, but you wouldn’t have to… :wink:

One thing that seems worth pointing out: online demos can be deceptive when it comes to comparing dedicated stutter devices with devices that do stutter along with a bunch of other things. If all the device does is stutter type behavior, that incentivizes people doing the demo to come up with compelling, creative uses of the stutter. If a device does a bunch of other things, the incentive to explore the hell out of stutter may not be there for whoever is doing the demo. But that doesn’t necessarily mean that the dedicated device will work better for your use case.

I get what you mean with the Kaoss pad, it’s about as visually repulsive as music tech gets to me as well.

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#37

:rofl: I’m sure someone has managed to beautify it somewhere.

Yeah microcosm does seem an interesting one but just want to see it over different sounds alongside the guitar. I guess my concern is with it, that it also doesn’t look as easy to control perhaps as other pedals.

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#38

yeah…
that’s the drawback i ran into with the Ottobit.
you can set it’s system to have stereo IN and OUT for all of the other features like the amazing filtering and the bit crushing…but the glitch/stutter is mono.

i REALLY like the way it reacts and glitches the noiz but the most important thing for me is that it is syncable to MIDI clock!

as mentioned already…the KP3 is also a GREAT candidate!
you would need to be able to send a S&H LFO over CC to get a similar random glitch effect.
:stuck_out_tongue:

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#39

This demo of Microcosm does lots of delicious stutter things with synths and drum machines too (incl. Digitakt, Moog Sirin, OP-1). https://youtu.be/9uPD9ev2QJQ

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#40

Ok one more left field idea: Korg NTS-1 + sinevibes rerun algo (I’m sure there are other stutter like algos for it.) https://www.sinevibes.com/korgrerun/

#41

MASF Possessed, or Raptio, CBA Mood, MWFX Judder, Drolo Stammen, Bananana Mandala, Hexe Revolver, Pladask Fabrikat, Montreal Assembly Count To Five…tons of options out there depending what your needs are.

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#42

because you mention that sometimes you jam with your guitarbuddy.
the stretchweaver has 2 inputs for different instruments that can effect each other in various ways.
the third mode does repeat/stutter.
it works like that: by playing louder you can make your buddys guitar stutter.
and when he plays his guitar loud enough he can make your setup stutter.
can be much fun.
the downside is this pedal is notoriously difficult to come by.
2:22. https://youtu.be/IaPx8rp8SIk

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#43

Nice interaction idea! Come to think of it, could Mood do something similar in Env mode? (With mood on a send, feed it some signal, ‘loop’ that in Env mode > cut the signal and send guitar to mood, set treshold so that guitar takes over the stutter as function of treshold?)

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#44

Not a pedal, but ableton’s Beat repeat is pretty great. Able to add variance to specific intervals for stutter. Able to add Chance as well to keep it feeling organic. Sold my infinite jets because ableton did the trick for me. Connecting it with a MIDI foot controller can control different functions.

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#45

yes, the env mode does that.
i just tried this again. and there is some bleed from the triggering signal when the pedal is set to full wet.
also there is degradtion of the sampled material because you at full sample rate you have only about 1 second recording time so you lower the sample to get more seconds. it sounds great though.
the mood excels as a texture maschine with many happy little accidents. to get a repeatable stutter effect at high fidelity take a look at the roland scooper/demora or the scatter section of a mc101.

#46

ableton’s beat repeat is what Id love in an external pedal, I think the ottobit and pladask come closest to it from what I’ve seen but then you have other pedals which can do so much more… i guess maybe I’m looking at getting a couple now :grinning:

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#47

FYI i’ve been in touch with the king of gear people and they have not stopped making pedals, just a COVID hiatus. Join the mailing list for future updates.

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#48

Cooper Fx Outward V2 is really good for this type of thing. has built in lfos and timestretch. also an envelope threshold function that enables the chop/stutter once the threshold is reached. you can set a square wave lfo to trigger freeze on a granular patch. you can do buffer scrubbing similar to clouds. the whole thing is similar to clouds actually, but has its own internal lfos for modulating things like clock speed, grain size, pitch, position, freeze. has exp(cv) in & midi in as well for external modulation and/or preset switching and other cool things

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#49

This is probably slightly off topic, but I didn’t find another thread to post this on to…

Does anyone remember what was that experimental pedal which was really great in making “liquidy” electric organic sounds… i believe it was a modded Boss pedal of some kind… and rare. Been thinking and googling without any results for the last hour or so…

#50

You might be thinking of the modded nux time core which was done by Seppuku as “digital water” and also ADD pedals as the “data error”. I’ve tried both and I wasn’t super impressed, honestly. It’s just a circuit bend that introduces some pitch modulation into the delay line. Cool sounding but not really worth a wild price or a wild goose chase.

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#51

Yep, the Tensor is great. It is kind of like a Make Noise Echophone in pedal format. I still haven’t fully wrapped my head around how it actually works but the results are always very weird but very musical.

Also don’t overlook the Boss DD-500 for this kind of stuff. It is deeply programmable with many internal modulators and two parallel delay engines. Stuttery stuff is easy, you can find it used for a good price and it covers way more than just stutters if needed. You do have to program it though, there is no dedicated “stutter mode”.

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