Sure, my main tool for field recording is an ORTF couple of MKH8040.

It depends on your use cases but the main things to think about for outside are wind protection, suspension, practicality. Taking these into consideration means additional costs, but i fear there is not much way around it. (Although, sacrificing some practicality, there are many cost efficient solutions).

My choice of a (lightweight) ORTF couple in a single zeppelin stems from how i like to practice field recording. That activity is mostly coupled with walking. I often move the mics during the recording; and even if they are on a tripod, i try many positions before settling on a spot for half an hour. Basically i want the experience of these tools to be as close as possible to using a handheld recorder, but with the utmost sound quality. (It still needs a bigger bag than a pocket, but the flexibility is there).
Then again, field recording is the foundation of my practice so the upfront cost of my latest setup was like a concert instrumentist buying an expensive handmade instrument from a luthier.


For the mics, it’s not easy for me to give advice except that i wouldn’t bother the hassle to bring “cheap” mics in the field when tiny electrets are mostly as good and way easier to carry. I would maybe just rent a great mic pair for a demanding project and hear if you find it’s worth using such mics (and subsequently maybe invest in them).

Oh, and imho the ORTF couple gives the closest result to “listening in person” (at least for me) and it is also the major reason for which i favor it over other techniques.
X-Y i find rather bland and only use it when strict mono compatibility is mandatory.

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Thanks. Yes, I’m also a fan of ORTF and use that setup with my LDCs frequently.

I think I’m a bit away from investing in a blimp or mics at the level of the MKH8040, but I appreciate hearing about your experience and style!

i have the good fortune of acquiring a couple usi pro.

my (possibly dumb) question— how do people like to handle these on the go? i know there are numerous techniques for positioning and spread of a stereo pair— have many of you hand-made some sort of stereo grip? i have the threaded shock-mounts, so now i’m considering what it means to have a sensible way of being mobile with this setup, in addition to maybe being able to lock them to a camera tripod, etc. just curious to see others’ ideas.

apologies if this is a repetition (perhaps this thread deserves to be several more granular threads?)

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The Usi’s aren’t particularly susceptible to handling noise, so I usually just use the small clips to clip them to anything handy–tree branches, fences, etc. I like to space them 18"-36" apart, but I’ve gotten some nice recordings with 12" spacing too. I also have the lyre mounts, and I occasionally use those attached to a rycote stereo bar or just a thin wood plank. Highly recommend the bubblebee wind screens–they do pretty well in light winds. You could use them in a long blimp if you want the best wind protection, but that’s more than I usually want to carry around.

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@ermina

I like your style.

@emenel

You could get these as a cheaper option. Very nice linear SDC. Not my listing, I just tend to recommend them a lot to people looking for an affordable SDC but still high quality.

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It looks zoom will have an AB capsule.

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I got the parts for this “Stereo Bar” mini tripod/grip for the Usi’s off A*azon:

EDIT: whoops I see you wanted a DIY solution. Sorry!

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Anyone interested in joining a monthly field recording google meetup? A new friend wanted to have some regular discussions on field recording, and I though it might be nice to open it up to a group discussion of techniques, equipment, and sharing recordings. We’re planning on having a 7:00 or 7:30 pm US ET call on a weeknight. If you’re interested, drop me a pm with the nights of the week that work for you.

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This sounds interesting! Let me know how this develops

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Hi @emenel , did you end up getting any mics yet? In my experience (I also record to a MixPre6, or sometimes to a Tascam DR100), the line audios sound very good for the price but are definitely not quiet (in terms of self noise) which is a problem if you’re hoping to do field recording of very quiet sources–not a problem for loud things though. They’re quite a bit more sucepitble to wind noise too. The Beyers that you mentioned are pretty decent for the price in every way, and sometimes can be found steeply discounted. The new(ish) Lewitt LCT140 SDCs might be worth considering as well—they have about the lowest handling noise you’d get for an <$500 pair (useful for field situations); while not quite as smooth in sound as Sennheiser 8000-series or Schoeps, I have found them to be more neutral than most other current mics.

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Hey do you have any stereo field recordings with the Lewitts? What stereo config do you use them in?

Hi @Clarte will look to see if I can dig some up that I know were done with them (we bought a pair for my uni as loaners, in quarantine times I’ve been using whatever I have at home which doesn’t include those particular lewitts)- but with SDCs of this type I’ll do X-Y, ORTF or spaced pair recordings, all depends upon what I’m trying to capture.

Fantastic! Id love to hear, dreaming of an mkh ORTF rig but not sure I can ever justify the spend.

Oh yes, like @ermina I feel that mkh (either the 8000 series, or the older 20-40-80 etc series) is the way to go for anyone who is willing to and able to spend that money—and for anyone whose field recordings bring them to high humidity environments (regular SDC capsules tend to “stop transducing” when the humidity gets too high: only the sennheiser rf technology is mostly immune to that). I don’t own a pair now, though!

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Highly recommend the MKH 8020 and it goes up to 60Khz.

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So far I’m been using the mics I have and just working with the MixPre, but I’m still planning to get a pair of SDC’s. After doing some digging I decided it would be better to save for a couple of months and just get the MKH 8040’s and the Rycote ORTF blimp, realizing that anything else would be a stop-gap since this is what I really want in the long term.

I’m also hoping I can find them at a discount or used, so if the right deal comes along I’ll just jump on it…

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I hung out for a while and ultimately scored them on eBay for $1850 for a pair. The ORTF Rycote mount was a whole other story. I searched deep on the web to find one – in Germany! Not sure if they’re still hard to come by.

With that being said they are a wicked combo. Good luck!

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Does anyone have a recommendation for relatively inexpensive mics for hobbyist / creative type bat recording? Bonus points for something that is either good for general (field) recording tasks aside ultrasound, or very cheap. I’ve been doing quite a bit of googling on this, but still not sure what actually works and what doesn’t (eg. some of the DIY mic capsules, classic Sennheiser omnis that go up to ultrasonic, etc.) as there aren’t many personal experiences to be found.

Thinking of getting a used / b-stock first generation Mixpre 6 (sample rates up to 192KHz supported, unlike with Mixpre 3 mk1) for various things from portable USB battery-powered preamp to use with Norns, Tracker and the laptop, to “normal” field recording duties around the local (and less local) forests.

However, it occured to me that if I do get one, we might as well then take the very same recorder and a mic or two with my s.o. when we go bat spotting, and try to do some recordings for later slowing down, listening and processing. The problem, then, is finding the suitable mic / mics for less than Sanken prices.

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I’ve recorded bats with a microphone I built from a pair of Primo EM258 capsules, on plug-in power, into a Tascam DR100mkIII at 192kHz. The capsules were very cheap from Micbooster (UK). I can add (slowed) recording excerpts or photos if anyone’s interested, but my results are also not necessarily representative because I’m bad at everything.

ETA:
So these are slowed 4x and downsampled to 48kHz. Both excerpts from a September 2018 recording. Unfortunately, it was mono. There are also crickets and frogs, and a barred owl at the beginning of the second one. I don’t know what the güiro-like sound in the second one is (~0:10, ~0:22).

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I have a pair of KM84s, but no portable recording device. Will need 48V phantom power. Not so worried about cost, don’t need built in mics, but just want good quality and as small/light as possible, would the cheapest little Sound Devices be a good bet?