GAS - gear acquisition syndrome & related discussion

snkhydrox · 2022-05-27T07:31:57.096Z

parsec · 2022-05-27T14:11:42.258Z

Now I want to sample that SO BAD

renegog · 2022-05-27T17:26:48.531Z

perfect for no-input mixing

Aomatos · 2022-05-27T19:20:40.727Z

zuliani:

am increasingly convinced that a great deal of the GAS floating around in our collective atmospheres is the product of just how isolated and globally distributed a lot of us are. If I could just pop over to a fellow synthesist’s apartment and try out a new module or two, and get a chance to vibe with some of this technology without having to own it, I would

This is a great observation. Back in the “good old days” I would visit a guitar store, try guitars and pedals, see other people do the same, talk with the owners and the personnel who were always in some kind of band, share our passion and experience for all things guitar-wise. Since the beginning of the big online music shops, it was obvious that these little shops couldn’t survive simply cause they cannot beat the prices of a mega-store and because the consumers (yes, we!) are not conscious at all. Our decision to buy cheaper means that we will have to spent much more money just to “try stuff out”. And I don’t even mention the time you have to lose packing/unpacking/sending boxes, the effect on the environment etc. We’ve lost that connection with a community that was that music shop. It wasn’t just a shop. But hey, we make this world all together, right? And we gotta take the responsibility when all goes to shit.

watercolor · 2022-05-27T21:28:22.249Z

This is true, but it’s also somewhat reductive. It’s not just about isolation; it’s also about a weird form of instant-gratification consumerism. We associate buying more gear with having more options or even with making progress because the change is palpably immediate: we get a new toy to put our grubby mitts on.

That said, the lack of engagement brought about by isolation is a real problem. It’s not even that we don’t have music shops anymore—it’s that no one talks about anything productive. A good amount of online gear discussion is nothing more than enabling or commiserating about having GAS. The discussions about how to use and explore gear are far fewer (or maybe they just get fewer eyes on them).

_mgb · 2022-05-27T21:48:18.842Z

Much of what leads to GAS for me, and not just music gear, but any new toy/tool, is the initial novelty that comes with learning about the new thing.

Once you understand your gear fully, what is left is simply the process of doing, which of course can be frustrating even for the best of us, dealing with our own limitations as humans, but getting a new thing allows us to temporarily find gratification in learning about the new thing and the potential of it helping us get past those limitations.

watercolor · 2022-05-27T22:06:08.229Z

Ha, this is pretty much what I said. It’s true—we’ve become conditioned to prioritize novelty. It’s partially a human flaw and partially a result of predatory marketing. In order to move forward, we need to adopt a mindset wherein new does not always equal good. Essentially, we all think of products with a manifest destiny mindset.

juhbuba · 2022-05-27T22:56:37.386Z

watercolor:

It’s not even that we don’t have music shops anymore—it’s that no one talks about anything productive. A good amount of online gear discussion is nothing more than enabling or commiserating about having GAS. The discussions about how to use and explore gear are far fewer (or maybe they just get fewer eyes on them).

I replied to a message in the Eurorack thread about how to get to know your modules with a list of relevant creative and compositional suggestions that were entirely gear agnostic.

After receiving effusive thanks, within a few posts the thread returned to gear recommendations. No other comments, engagement, application, or following up with results of exploring the ideas.

Felt kinda like throwing a wishbone into a meat grinder.

eblomquist · 2022-05-27T23:28:21.196Z

juhbuba:

I replied to a message in the Eurorack thread

Can you point to that post?

Don’t be disheartened by lack of response, sometimes a post will catch some wind weeks or even months later…. I view it a bit like casting seeds in a field, you never know what or when things will happen!

watercolor · 2022-05-27T23:37:51.836Z

Felt kinda like throwing a wishbone into a meat grinder.

Man, I feel this analogy. Those kinds of posts can be so infuriating to share because people tend to like the idea of the post more than the post itself, so they’ll shallowly appreciate the content (usually via a ‘like’) but won’t engage with it.

In a twisted way, that kind of content can even exacerbate GAS because people conflate new ideas and new gear. It’s a whole mindset, which is why it’s so hard to break out of. Music has become largely a space for collectors.

I’ve also noticed a surprising lack of a spectrum when it comes to gear talk. On the one hand, you have the collectors who want to do nothing but talk about gear and specs; on the other, you have punk-esque aesthetes who use whatever without putting much thought into it. There’s not a lot of discourse about collecting the right gear for your needs and then exploring it.

juhbuba · 2022-05-27T23:46:32.698Z

eblomquist:

Can you point to that post?

I’d prefer not to, in case my description of the situation gets taken personally.

And I appreciate your compassion, but I honestly don’t feel disheartened. Mostly surprised and alienated, which was useful because it told me that corner of the community is not for me.

There are plenty of other threads here where I’ve participated in engaging, meaningful conversations. This one for example.

watercolor:

Man, I feel this analogy. Those kinds of posts can be so infuriating to share because people tend to like the idea of the post more than the post itself, so they’ll shallowly appreciate the content (usually via a ‘like’) but won’t engage with it.

Yes, this captures what I’m getting at. I was trying to keep judgment and “negative” emotions out if it. But that might be impossible given underlying beliefs and values.

I gave my answer in earnest and put effort into responding in a thoughtful and creative way. But by posting in a different direction than the typical current of conversation, the post itself may have represented a criticism, and been tacitly rejected as such.

In other words, I knew I wasn’t part of that micro-culture when I posted, so what was I expecting? Functionally, the experience provided a concrete example of the differences in perspective. But I’m guessing people already have opinions on the differences between these types of value systems.

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eblomquist · 2022-05-28T00:02:44.348Z

Sorry to hear about your experience but grateful for your sharing it and sticking around!

I suppose the community serves a variety of purposes for different members. There are plenty of threads I can’t contribute to meaningfully or even understand! But there are others that go to places that feel really nourishing to me, so I tend to hang there mostly…

At the end of the day, I’m most grateful for the friendships that have grown out of being here for a while…

juhbuba · 2022-05-28T00:04:51.224Z

eblomquist:

Sorry to hear about your experience

To be clear, this wasn’t a bad experience for me and I don’t feel badly about it, or even disappointed.

eblomquist:

I suppose the community serves a variety of purposes for different members.

This is more what I’m getting at.

And that it can be difficult to suspend judgment when it comes to the material aspects of things.

Starthief · 2022-05-28T00:31:52.864Z

Honestly I think it’s just easier to talk about gear online than technique, creativity, etc. A lot of the latter is difficult to put into words, and also more personal and less universal.

juhbuba · 2022-05-28T00:34:13.337Z

That’s a fair point. But I disagree that the more personal things are, the less universal they are.

And for me, things that are difficult to put into words are usually worth trying to express, perhaps because of the difficulty.

From what I’ve observed, these efforts are generally rewarded with substantive conversation around these here parts.

JES · 2022-05-28T01:14:58.668Z

Starthief:

Honestly I think it’s just easier to talk about gear online than technique, creativity, etc. A lot of the latter is difficult to put into words

Very much this, plus pretty pictures. I think people can share work in progress and talk about it with others, but with strangers on a forum that can be hard, and I think it works better in smaller groups. It can go well on forums but it takes work.

eblomquist · 2022-05-28T01:34:50.831Z

At least this is the finest forum I’ve ever encountered…

Floa · 2022-05-28T19:38:44.241Z

“Ask not what your forum can do for you, ask what YOU can do for your forum…”

watercolor · 2022-05-28T20:53:58.472Z

Sure, it’s easier to talk about gear, but that’s a really vapid way to “engage” with a community. The fact that most people don’t try gives off the vibe that no one really cares, and in a community like lines, where there are a lot of people doing inspiring things, that results in noticeable cognitive dissonance. Why is this such a creative community with so little discussion about creativity?

eblomquist · 2022-05-28T21:16:09.948Z

Please start a thread that you really want to exist! I’m excited to take part!