I watched all of those reviews and none of them was actively selling me anything.
I fail to see what’s bad in someone finding a job of reviewing things and doing it to the best of one’s ability.

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Seriously. This is getting far off topic.

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(I hope my limited English skills will deliver my point)

Regarding the “drama” from the Make Noise 0-CTRL-thread:
In my opinion, the “synth”-scene on Social Media got more and more commercialized and professionalized in parallel to the rise of YouTube as a commercial platform.
When I started uploading videos (around 2013) on YT channels like vinyljunkie07, snolan1990 or MAARTNBeats had, in my view, the most views and influence, with their potato-cams and bad recordings. I’m glad they are review synth tubers, but when I click through videos of different tags, I rarely find something interesting, in a musical sense. The show-off of gear and studio-setups became more important than musical explorations and explanations.
As vinyljunkie07 (roughly) said in some video: “It doesn’t matter if I made this track with the MPC 2000 or the 3000, I could write the same stuff in Fruity Loops 5”.

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What I noticed through my limited use of Instagram is that any of my (sound)videos tagged with manufacturer hashtags get a significantly bigger amount of views than the videos without such tags. That leads me to the conclusion that people don’t really give a flying damn whether you are making good or bad music (in fact, they don’t seem to care about the music at all) but want to merely indulge in what I image could be called gear lust. Of course, I’m making sweeping generalisations here but this is a tendency which I could clearly observe during my recent use of social media. And somehow this weirds me out a bit I must admit…

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I don’t claim to be a typical social media user, but the way I see it, I don’t really look to social media for good music. Maybe recommendations or album announcements to check out later, but not to listen to music in any serious way.

I also don’t post any of my good stuff on Instagram (and rarely any music at all), and my SoundCloud is mostly for demoing gear or patch techniques or occasionally sharing stuff that won’t make it to an album release.

To me Instagram is for a couple of minutes of entertainment/infotainment during a bathroom break or while waiting for code to compile at work or the like.

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there’s a disturbing trend of videos with cassette players with the tape head stretched around a house plants or a cats neck and then being processed with either shimmer or a very washed out (lofi) space reverb get the most interaction regardless of the actual sound.

another problem is these aggregate accounts who get fans by reposting musicians’ posts with descriptions like “check out the hazy feels of this ambient loop jam”

instagram is trash, but i do find some of the most interesting setups there. you could argue that youtube is even worse with gear lust because most of it is strictly gear demos by people with awful taste/ability/talent. those do fuel a lot of my gear acquisition syndrome though. they make me want certain synths if someone does a good job making them sound cool, but then continuously searching one synth or pedal or module in various videos gets really difficult because it’s so hard to get a sense of whether or not it sounds good just from watching those.

in the last maybe 4 months i’ve spent maybe over $4000 in various gear. which isn’t a lot compared to eurorack people but i don’t normally spend that type of money on these things. still waiting on an 0 coast (that i ordered before the 0 ctrl announcement) and a bastl thyme

i have this problem too. every time i get something new, i feel like i have to incorporate that in every trak i’m working on at the moment.

also yeah, i have a MS Onenote page for each piece of gear i own. it’s very helpful

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My 2 cents on the discussion about promotion of new instruments through YouTube. It’s a fine line that all these YouTubers work and engage with us. And I agree with a lot of you that most of them have crossed the line into some kind of weird promo channels for gear. Weird because it’s not a direct advertisement. Inspirational video’s are more rare and that is why we need new blood in the scene that has no commercial ambitions. It’s a natural process that some of these channels become so big that eventually they have to keep making content for everyone, which means quality is lower and “product placement” in fancy studio’s is the new standard. Just like your favourite band who made it mainstream, it’s time to say goodbye and look for new bands who are thirsty for something new. Only the very very few can maintain a mainstream following and still create inspiring content. The Radiohead/Sonic Youth’s of each scene for example.
And to finish, my favourite 0-CTRL video’s were:

  1. Loopop (he went into crazy territory with patching)
  2. Mylar (he’s the only one who knows how to work a sequencer)
  3. Sonic State/with Tony (always fun to see Tony)
  4. Hainbach (big disappointment to me-no inspiration).
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What I noticed through my limited use of Instagram is that any of my (sound)videos tagged with manufacturer hashtags get a significantly bigger amount of views than the videos without such tags.

Can’t speak for everyone but I had a habit of doing youtube searches like octatrack ambient or eurorack techno for past year but then it occured to me that I was focusing too much on the gear. I guess it started innocent enough by just wanting to check what can be made with specific gear but then such searches dominated almost all of my musical searches and I started to be more cautious about that.
Ideal situation would be to analyse music that I like and the eventually search how I can do very specific stuff on a gear that I have but this probably would require more work from me and this is why my mind (especially when on idle) do those yt/instagram searches.
I once had a nice idea which due to lack of time (and laziness that I mentioned earlier) I did not explore further (and to which I should get back) but for few days I was listening to this record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Intelligence_(compilation_album) and noting how the tracks were being developed without focusing too much into details like particular notes. Something like:

- starts with a 1 bar acid bassline
- then after few repetitions highhats start to play straight sixteen notes pattern with open high hat here and there
- straight four on the floor follows it
- bassline fades out and at the same time four chords pad loop is playing with only minor chords

and then I would start my OP-Z and go through this list trying to create track using notes that I have created. It was great because not only I learned how on high level tracks that I liked were composed I also come up with a music which was different from original because I wasn’t trying to replicate everything down to little details like exact notes playing.

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Who said the sound alone had to be the entire reason for making something, making art? Why can’t the audio and video as a whole, even the captured situation as a whole converge to be the message, the art? A beautiful aspect about living now is that barriers ($) around video are falling and so of course people are incorporating the medium into their artistic practice. Maybe Instagram and Youtube are trash. Or maybe that’s a gross oversimplification of two entire ecosystems that are filled with amazing art and straightforward demonstrations and drivel, all of which serve totally different purposes.

I don’t think it’s fair to place the blame on content creators for instigating GAS within oneself. What’s more distressing is the platforms they publish to, which seem far more insidious with impersonal, targeted advertising doing the manipulatory legwork.

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@encephalitislethargi I think music is too subjective to bash on something just because we personally don’t like it. I for example enjoy most of the tape loop records/songs but of course I am aware that it might not be everyone cup of tea. But I think this is general problem with people approach to music. Often people regard anything that they listened in the past as mainstream, what they listen to now as something how should all music sound and anything that they did not listen or they don’t enjoy they regard as weird/unecessary/flashy/not-music etc.
Everything is music and even if we don’t enjoy it there is at least one person who does so please be respectful of others.
And maybe try the tape stuff yourself, who knows maybe you will even enjoy it :wink:
EDIT: especially as musicians/hobbists I think we should be open to another music genres/trends/anything and at least try to find why people enjoy them as much

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Perhaps I’m a bit too much of an anti-capitalist for some, so apologies if this rubs people the wrong way (not intended).

That said, I really wish more synthfluencers would just say no to new product ‘reviews’. I understand you need to make money and times are hard, but I can’t help but feel going this route for income isn’t going to do the communities any good in the long run. Not only is there a lack of actual critical reviewing being done due to the pressure of keeping in good spirit with the company who you depend on, it feeds into GAS that for many, many people is a serious issue and normalizes the idea of constant gear-buying.

It also seems they’re becoming ‘better’ at hiding that you’re watching an ad for a new product, rather than a video someone would’ve made anyway. Usually it’s just a “Oh they sent me this btw” and off we go, in some cases mentioning it won’t influence their view / stance on the product (as if!). You’re lucky if there’s a YouTube line saying “Includes paid promotion”, but often these are missing too.

Afterwards these products hang around in people’s studio’s with zero talk of advertisement, but product placement is just one more form of advertising.

I watched Andrew Huang’s “Here’s a weird way to make interesting chords!” only to find out it’s an announcement for a give-away with lots of products being promoted. Was that really needed? Can’t we go 5 minutes without promoting products? Does a video like “Finding and keeping inspiration in music production” need product advertising?

It’s become nearly impossible to consume videos on electronic music without being ‘tricked’ into watching product announcements.

I’ve gone from subscribing to channels and watching new content to unsubscribing and occasionally visiting and picking out videos, but even that isn’t effective enough to avoid it.

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Back when I uploaded stuff I decided to post music with gear on Instagram and just music on YouTube. While Instagram grew nobody looked at the YouTube stuff. Obviously YouTube is an entirely different Platform but like @mode.analogue I noticed on Instagram it makes a huge difference if you tag your gear. Posts without gear in tag and view did significantly worse.

But what’s the point as an musician/artist if people only watch your stuff because they want to see the gear you use? On the other hand especially in modular the instrument you build can be part of the art form.
In the end it is a balance everybody needs to find for themselves.

Personally, the experience of listening to music differs a lot based on the visuals accompanied. No video/input seems to be the purest form of just hearing music. A music video can provide an emotional reference. It can be really weird for me when I heard a song a lot and then see the music video and it doesn’t match the feeling I developed with the song. The most impure experience for me seem to be gear videos. The experience gets a technical quality and my mind focuses more on the process than on the music itself. Sometimes I’m like to indulge in that. But if I want to really want to hear how some piece of gear sounds I just minimize the video, otherwise I often have no recollection of how it actually sounded.

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Why can’t we have separate anti capitalist thread? :slight_smile:

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Brands have more name recognition than most of us musicians do, so that just sort of makes sense.

My more popular tracks on SoundCloud are the gear demos by far. Of course, a lot more people have heard of Mutable Instruments, Noise Engineering, SynthTech etc. than they have Starthief. :wink:

And the gear appeals to people that my style of music doesn’t.

And even those who do like my music are extremely unlikely to find it as important to them as their own music, and the tools with which to make it…

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When I am considering a piece of gear, I often seek out people using said thing on instagram, at which point the tags become useful. That is also why I tag my own music posts with gear. Modular gear in particular benefits from a multitude of perspectives as they can often be used in various ways.

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Yes that makes sense. In the beginning I thought I was reaching an audience of listeners of a genre (I always tagged genre and related stuff) but it seems like as soon as you post gear stuff you mainly reach an audience of fellow music makers and gear enthusiasts. Which is not a bad thing, just something one should recognize.
With cheaper more available gear more and more music enthusiasts become makers/artist/musicians which great. Basically the upside of the phenomenon that also causes GAS.

This has been a really thought-provoking read, good reminder of how great this forum is. :slightly_smiling_face:

I have mixed feelings on content creator’s obligation to cater to GAS, or at least how far that obligation oughta go. But our relationship with the creative process, gear, and consumerism is a highly personal thing I think, I don’t really fault anyone too hard for feeling differently.

I’m certainly no synthfluencer, but Instagram is my largest-reach platform and my page is very “gear-heavy” you could say, so I’ve thought about this. My intentions with that platform have always been pretty simple- if during the course of my work, a surprising and exciting sound or moment arises, I will sometimes film a short clip to share with others to document the process and fun of finding a satisfying new sound or composition. In response, some discussion then usually takes place in the comments and in private messages and I try my best to answer any questions, many of which are about ways you could achieve the sound without the specific pieces of gear I was using. Pictures sprinkled in here or there are pieces of gear that inspired me in the moment that day or excited me as it pertains to actual music-making. And lastly but very rarely, posts informing followers about a new release.

If pictures of synthesizers trigger in you an unhealthy compulsion to purchase gear- I don’t know that that’s really my fault or my problem. What exactly do you expect a synthesizer musician to post? I’ve more or less made peace with my gear situation, and it took many years of buying and selling to find the set of tools that worked best for me. I’m going to do my thing and post pictures/videos of the tools that inspire me- I see it as the viewer’s responsibility to have the maturity to understand that with the skills and dedication you could make amazing music far better sounding than mine with nothing but a laptop. I get a lot of questions from people thinking about getting into eurorack or vintage synths, and I always try to make it very clear that none of this stuff is the key to salvation, and that there are countless examples of spectacular musicians who used extremely minimal tools.

Where it crosses a line for me is when the content is very clearly manipulative or sensationalized- the clickbait Youtube titles and mouth-agape thumbnails annoy me enormously, and it’s really sad that so many people feel they MUST play that game on that site to generate viewership. I see transparency as the key. If you’re being paid to show a product, say it up front, add the “includes paid promotion” tag. That doesn’t mean you are an evil person and the content has no value, it’s all about what the actual content is. But it’s important that people know the full context of what’s in front of them.

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Sorry but I have to respectfully disagree. I’ve been inspired by alot of Instagram posts, and had many meaningful conversations there. It might be the exception, but it’s enough for me…

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I probably could have phrased what I said better. I don’t treat Instagram as a place to look for or share music, and rarely YouTube either. Probably due to being an album listener at heart.

But sometimes people post things that do touch me :slight_smile:

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