I think the lists made above are quite exhaustive, so I’ll just add my 2c : the bamboo garden in the Villette Park, just next to the Philharmonie, was my favorite place to escape the rushes of the city when I lived in Paris. Get to it from the Belvedère Alley, you have to take some small stairs on your right. It’s quite small, but very calm and sound-proof. There’s, at the other end of the garden, a sonic installation. It’s a concrete circle broadcasting very subtle acousmatic music. Great to meditate, and also to play an instrument. When I first went there, a saxophonist was playing. Beautiful moment.

Here are the GPS coordinates :

48°53’32.7"N 2°23’30.8"E

Enjoy Paris en Brittany,
H.

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Nice. I stay in St Ouen when in town, but didn’t know about this one. Has it been there long?

A recommendation for the flea market is the Café Paul Bert, which has incredible hot chocolate (just add milk) and an amusing submarine- styled basement, complete with sonar sound fx.

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This is a spectacular list - thank you for taking the time to embed so many links and photos - I’m keeping this close at hand.

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I’ll be doing the same for the next time I’m there for more than a flying visit.

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Bienvenue à Paris :slight_smile:
I am born here and can recommend a few things:

  • cannonball in the wall of Hotel de Sens (1 rue du Figuier) - a nice thing to point out to a 12 year old
  • Petite Ceinture (e.g. via Jean Moulin Atation) - an abandoned railway around Paris … you can walk it
  • la Salle des Espèces Menacées et des Espèces Disparues (36 Rue Geoffroy-Saint-Hilaire, third floor) - a room with stuffed, (soon to be) extinct animals
  • WW II bunker at Gare de l’Est (Place du 11 novembre 1918) - well, a WW II bunker
  • mètre étalon (36, rue Vaugirard) - it is a public standard meter (as in distance) installed after the french revolution. It is easy to miss but installed in the marble wall near the bus stop.

If you (really) go on the Eiffel tower, there is a tiny apartment on the third level.

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Back when I was living in Paris I used to love to go to Les Instants Chavires in Montreuil.
It’s outside the periferique but there’s metro all the way out there.
Great place for noise, improv and all sorts off crazy music.

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Montreuil is a nice place for pretty niche / alternative / conceptual spaces. I’ve worked for years with “La Parole Errante”, they used to do theater plays, some concerts, there’s a festival (“Ta Parole”) sometimes some exhibitions, and sometimes nothing ! Sadly they closed, although I’m sure the space has been claimed either by the city of Montreuil or some private actors, but “La Maison de l’Arbre” is still there last time I checked, and from the same team of like-minded people there’s also still the “Café Librairie Michèle Firk” rue François Debergue nearby. It’s as its name says a bookshop-coffee where they often do political discussions (mostly libertarian / communism oriented discussions) and it used to be amongst the spaces I liked to go to (because I had my rehearsal space in this area for a while).

Actually next week there’s an open discussion around the book “Ne travaillez jamais !” by Alistair Hemmens for the Parisians hanging around in this thread. For the others, the title I just highlighted translates “Don’t ever work !” and the book is a history of critical philosophies of the concept of “work” under capitalism. The title actually reminded me of Masanobu Fukuoka’s One Straw Revolution and “Do Nothing” Philosophy which has been mentionned several time on this forum by @jasonw22 and @tehn most notably (and to great length) on the Agrarian Interdependence topic.

Here’s the event : http://www.michelefirk.org/?oaq[uid]=43768118

So if you want some real life discussion in a real life space about those concepts and live in Paris, well, you’ve got some options now ! It’s nice too, real life !

I don’t share much of these spaces here because I realize they’re very “french speaking people” centered, and it’s a shame really, as I think they translate much more of our culture, spirit and daily life than a lot of spaces (even I) mentionned here that feel a lot like a Parisian variation of Brooklyn for modern days worldwide travellers more often than not. Also it doesn’t help that so many french people suck at speaking english, it keeps the smaller, more fragile spaces, from being trully welcoming to outsiders not speaking the language.

Still, if from time to time if I think of a few places that might be welcoming to liners, or if there’s an event that justify sharing, I’ll come to this topic to give it some visibility and I’ll mention if it’s friendly to non-french speaking people too !

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Dizonord record store - ask Vincent for a few tips :slight_smile:

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thx. I wish I could have had your recommandations 2 months ago, when I stayed in Paris.

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thank you all for the wonderful tips and reflections. so much to consider!

we’re actually thinking of staying in the Marais…

but i should ask, do folks have specific recommendations for neighborhoods to stay in? also, do people like homeaway or airbnb or … ? (i generally just stay with friends when i go abroad so this is new territory for me! :grimacing:)

thanks again and in advance for any other inputs.

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Eh ben… Centre Pompidou et l‘IRCAM if you are into Fine Arts and Music. I‘ve seen a Vasarely Exhibition in Spring and will have to say that even though these Expos are maybe a bit touristy; Vasarely has been extensive to the most possible. Pompidou can be a really nice quiet retreat in the middle of the city as well.
If you like excitement and Noise, have a look at various flea markets ‚Puces‘ with Porte de Montreuil being the most touristy. There is a lot of Noise in this City if you are into it…

And don‘t leave without going to a famous Brasserie like La Coupole, these places ooze History

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Sorry i forgot…
If any of you are mildly interested in Fashion, this is the place. Go the extremely expensive highfashion Shops. Avoid the malls with the inhouse Shops of famous designers-these are for tourists :laughing:
Instead visit the flagshipstores. There‘s potential that you‘ll see highly creative architecture/art/soundinstallations in any of the following: comme des garcons, marni, yamamoto, givenchy et al…but avoid vuitton, its corporate disneyland with tickets at the entry to buy stuff :skull::skull::skull: i‘d recommend Celine in 2019 because Hedi Slimane is still the most artistic Designer there is.

So basically you go there not to buy clothes (few ppl can afford them anyway, the boring rich ppl) but to visit a store with extremely bored clerks that are eager to talk in any case. Just beware the stare, be polite, try on some clothes and enjoy the arts. This is really fun to do with kids nagging ‚dad, this is really shit, can we go?‘

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The Marais is the right choice. Dont’ look anywhere else. It’s the “obvious” place to be when visiting Paris with the family: central, as close as possible as one could imagine “Paris” like in a movie, not yet 100% touristic (80%?) and still safe enough to avoid major troubles. Can be a bit noisy at night, depending on where you are staying exactly and on your apartment, but it’s Ok for the position.
Airbnb can easily be the best choice.

Absolutely don’t miss in the Marais:
– a breakfast / post-launch coffee at Camille (24 rue des Francs Bourgeois), one of the last authentic brasseries in the Marais
– a launch or dinner at Au petit fer à cheval (30 rue Vieille du Temple)

Also, I recommend to keep in mind that Paris is one of the most overrated cities of the world. The city is very small and the density of its population is huge and unhealthy. Don’t expect it to be romantic: it is not. At all. Don’t expect it to be beautiful: it is not. At all. A part from two or three small touristic neighbourhoods, Paris is very, very ugly and the most of it is very poor and popular. Don’t expect it to be safe: it is not. At all. I think it’s one of the most violent and dangerous major cities I have ever lived in Europe. Expect to see a lot of violent people in the streets, people fighting really often, a lot of persons with mental issues, a lot of people bothering other random people. Paris can be really violent. You can get in troubles easily even if you are the most peaceful person on earth. I can’t remember one night of me coming home without being annoyed by idiots (even in the safest places of the city). Don’t expect the city to smell good or to smell the baguette or french parfume: Paris is just a big urinal. Don’t expect it to be clean: Paris is dirty AS HELL. And France still have medieval hygiene requirements. Also, apart from being dirty, parisians can be very rude, and they are generally very, very egoistic; they don’t give a fuck to people around them. There are a lot of zones to avoid at night (mostly 80% of the city) if you don’t want to get 100% in troubles. Be aware of the pickpockets, especially in the métro – and it becomes also very oppressive in Montmartre. Never take the métro line n.13 if you want not to get depressed or shocked. Remember that french people can’t speak english properly, and most of them just don’t speak english at all.

Just have a little bit of this in mind, and take the best things this place has to offer.
Don’t imagine to enter the Amélie movie, or you will be really disappointed.

you forgot to mention people there eat children for breakfast. It’s a third world country, after all.

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It’s very far from being a civilized place…

give it another 15 years and it’ll be properly gentrified.

The violence is in how expensive it is to live in, more than in the visible poverty. You make it sound like a warzone when it’s just a unusually dense city by european standards, so of course it’s crowded and dirty. But medieval? Uncivilized? Seems excessive and unnecessary.
One just has to navigate it appropriately (that is, using common sense) and most trouble will be avoided.

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As a French person who lived in Paris for 10 years or so and has been living in Japan for the same amount of time, I think I have enough background/perspective to say that considering that Paris/France is not “civilized” because of the Paris Syndrome is, to be polite, very lazy intellectually…

Yeah, Paris is not always a super nice place, far from it. I do feel that myself when I come back there. And yes, Parisians can seem cold, especially to Americans, but I’ve met tons of interesting people there, and at least when Parisians don’t like you they don’t pretend they do :slight_smile:.

Japan, on the other hand, is one of the safest countries in the world. You can forget your phone in a cafe/restaurant and get it back when you realize you left it there. You can walk anywhere at any time. Etc. And there’s been quite a bit of mutual admiration/idealization between Japan and France for a while, so many Japanese people arrive in Paris with unrealistic expectations and they come from a society where safety is basically a guarantee everywhere. Hence, Paris Syndrome. Which is not that common, to be honest. But it exists.

Now, to go back to the subject at hand, if you’re interested in modern art there are lots of small interesting galleries around Rue Vieille Du Temple (if I remember correctly). It’s usually worth it to take some time and go around and see if there’s any good exhibition in one of these. I’ve seen some great stuff by chance when walking in that area. It’s not far from Beaubourg so that can be done during the same day, for example.

I hesitated for a while to answer this post because it felt very close to troll territory, was very brutal, dismissive and unnecessarily agressive, for someone calling out on a city (an entire city !) being “rude” and “not civilized”, you certainly made a very quiet and civilized place way more rude. I might delete it completely because I don’t feel very good sharing all that but I couldn’t help.

I took the 13 line to get to work for a few years and I’m a little worried when you say “shocked” or “depressed” because I know very well the kind of people that are on the 13, and appart from the fact that a lot of them are poor, racialized, live in the suburbs and don’t wear nice clothes, and the wagons are packed at business hours, I can’t see how they’re shocking or depressing, unless you mean poverty is depressing and you’d rather just not ever see it in your neighborhood, in which case I think your vision of the city is pretty well aligned which the richest areas mentality because they too don’t want to see this at their doorstep, and don’t worry, they’re making a good job of kicking these people out of their city slowly (too slowly to their taste) but surely.

This is where I was born and lived most of my life, and I do have a lot of critics about it as a city (which have been echoed in other answers to your post and I could add a lot, some of them that would even echo yours), which I certainly never keep myself from saying, but what you just wrote is just absolute nonsense, generalization, and socially very questionnable.

I guess by telling you all that I won’t score points for the Parisians team, but it’s just… I felt bad reading what you just said because it felt like “damn, all those poor people stealing wallets, why don’t they go back to their cities and leave us enjoy the Marais, Bastille and Republique between us !”. It’s a big city that’s as complex as it’s small geographically (unless you add the suburbs but if you can’t bear line 13 I imagine they’re out of the question unless they’re Versailles or Boulogne) it encompass a lot of french history, which includes poorer area full of people tourists don’t wanna see, and you know what, those people often feel shit and unwelcome in all the places you listed as cool and “the good Paris”, because that’s not the Paris where they live, that’s not the Paris they can afford, and they’re looked at as if there’s a “danger” sticker on their face when they show up there. It’s not romantic indeed, no single big City in the world is romantic once you get to see the whole picture of what they really are, where the money comes from and who benefits from it and who doesn’t. I welcome the fact the you can still see the whole picture inside Paris and not escape it completely to live in a dream world where it’s all museum, chic venues and artist shops, it keeps the people living there in check of the reality of what our western lifestyle and politic costs to the masses. Soon, all those things you despise will probably be invisible, they’re already so much less visible than they used to be.

There’s a whole discussion recently in the city about how Air Bn’B and the overall possibility to just rent flats for rich people coming from abroad for holidays is so much more profitable than actually having to rent to the same person all year that an absolutely absurd number of flats in Paris are now solely used for that by the people who own the buildings, or just not used at all during the off season.That is, when they’re just not empty all year because it’s better to not rent them but stick at super high prices than rent them all. so most of the neighborhood you described as “enjoyable” “family friendly” “Paris” and all, are, paradoxically, more and more mostly inhabited by people who don’t live in the City, or just from time to time. THAT, is shocking to me. And the more we’ll make this city the sole property of people who can afford it, the more it’ll feed the resentment of the people left in deprecated building the various mayors don’t care about at the border of the inner city.

I’m really terribly sorry that I had to comment on this and make this topic so much more political and full of the violence that I’m sure you’re all trying to escape a little when you go abroad on holiday. But I think this obsession of wanting to see and live in and even visit the Paris of “the movies” (it never existed to begin with but that’s a whole other topic) is toxic at best, and destructive in reality. What you’ll see is a big western city (they look less and less different to me, when I go to another western Capital, a lot of it feel the same) with its own variation on the idea of “a big western city”, with its quirks and a lot of flaws (A LOT) and with its charm too, even on the 13 line, even in Montreuil, even in (oh my !) Ivry, Vitry sur Scène. Sure, make sure you’re safe, like anywhere, if you don’t feel like going on an adventure in the outer city belt because you’ve got no one to show you around and translate in areas where french is the only language, don’t it’s fine there’s plenty enough to see in the little tourist-friendly areas that the inner city represents, it might be small but it’s also packed with things. Enjoy it any way you want.

Sorry I really had to answer, hit too close to home, might delete.

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Nah man i‘m gonna do it…
I‘ve lived on and off in Paris over the last 30 years and will tell you this. If by chance you‘ve lived dans le marais the last 7 years and are afraid of idiots spoiling your trip at the métro going south or north for that matter-you completely lost Paname and should not be there at all. If by chance you still wont speak french in 7 years, it‘ll be normal, Paname will not give a shit abt you, they hate tourists and this will be the same in london or berlin, europe quoi. Being a nice person though will benefit ANY trip to Europe-and i‘m sure that you are a nice person. Anglo Saxons understanding of Paris is ‚the city of love‘ which is utter trash…actually its ‚city of light‘ and that‘s way more accurate as to why ppl come to Paris.
In short don‘t (ever) be afraid, ppl are open and welcoming, just not dans le Marais because thats a place in the heart of Disneyland

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As a suspiciously small number of others have mentioned, Paris has been basically in a state of unrest for a lot of 2019, at least. The situation has been very well documented and it is news to no-one that the city was plunged into chaos in recent years with entire streets turned into encampments for homeless immigrants, garbage strewn all over the place, massive increase in violent crime, the whole yellow vest series of protests, etc etc. Yeah, of course no city’s condition is completely consistent across the entire place - there will be better and worse sectors. But why anyone would want to go there at all given what we know is pretty unclear, save a desperate attempt to recreate the romantic ideal while blinkering themselves to the tragic human reality.