Grid ops / integration

sliderule · 2017-10-15T01:02:56.020Z

Simon was one of the first things I did with my teletype!

Lost the script, but I fed it CV / Gate from the MIDI in so you had to know the tones by ear and be able to play a keyboard.

Grid makes this amazing!

mlogger · 2017-10-15T02:54:00.893Z

Excellent! Does the pong scene still work with your 2.1 beta or does it need changing? Is this 2.1 beta different from the official 2.1. I’m just not sure the best one to use or whether your ops were already added to the official 2.1 already uploaded few days ago?

scanner_darkly · 2017-10-15T03:37:07.131Z

i haven’t tested the pong scene with the latest beta, but looking at the scene code it should work fine!

re: versions - the official 2.1.0 release does not include the grid ops. for grid ops you have to use the beta posted here, which is basically exactly what the official 2.1.0 version is plus the grid ops.

mlogger · 2017-10-15T04:09:13.425Z

ok thanks for the info - i will use your 2.1 beta

scanner_darkly · 2017-10-20T03:50:58.667Z

one thing with grid integration is that while working on a scene you have to constantly switch between grid/keyboard which can really break the flow. to help with that there will be a grid preview mode for live screen - this way you can try different ops and see the effect immediately. there will be a button combo to turn the grid preview on/off (thinking ctrl-g). this does mean that the icons that are normally in the top row have to either be hidden or rearranged - i think the latter makes more sense, so that you still have them when in grid preview:

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another button combo will switch to full grid preview mode where the whole screen is used:

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this covers visual part, but we’d still need a way to test grid input as well, so i’m planning to add new ops that will allow you to emulate pressing a button/fader/any other control or just emulate a grid press for given coordinates. one consequence of that which i didn’t realize until i started working on this part - it means you could use trigger scripts to emulate random (or not random, or sequenced…) button presses, and you could use all the grid scenes without an actual grid.

ether · 2017-10-20T04:08:46.524Z

Magic. Need to sort out my power so I can play with this.

mlogger · 2017-10-20T04:14:24.452Z

Hi, i tested the pong scene again with the new beta firmware and for some reason the first row is blank and not allowing me to highlight a square, as if the frame has shifted down 1 block. Any ideas? it looks like its a scaling thing? Any chance you could do a quick test to see if you get the same?

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scanner_darkly · 2017-10-20T04:38:00.203Z

there was a change to coordinates system to be 0-based instead of 1-based, so all the grid ops need to be adjusted. i’ll post an updated version of pong tomorrow!

if you customized yours just send it to me in a PM and i can fix it.

mlogger · 2017-10-20T04:55:36.870Z

no problem, thanks for that, i can wait, no need to send

glia · 2017-10-20T16:07:50.506Z

thank you @scanner_darkly this is such a monumental leap

your work on this project is continually surprising & inventive!

scanner_darkly · 2017-10-20T16:55:35.497Z

@tehn what are your thoughts on arranging the activity icons vertically? or we could have them displayed horizontally when the grid preview is off and vertically when it’s on. also since i’m working on this area is there anything we want to add/change?

cmcavoy · 2017-10-20T21:45:59.760Z

2 posts were merged into an existing topic: (Teletype) Monitoring Live Variables

Justmat · 2017-10-20T20:10:37.635Z

Can we just move the icons when the grid visualizer is activated, then return them when we go back to live mode?

scanner_darkly · 2017-10-20T20:15:37.585Z

yeah, that could be one of the options. this breaks consistency though, and that area is not used right now in the live screen anyway. another option is hiding them completely when the grid preview is on.

sliderule · 2017-10-20T23:36:35.576Z

Amazing work! The display reminds me so much of a gameboy in your pictures.

emenel · 2017-10-21T03:54:23.126Z

I’m for just hiding them in this display. It’s very modal already.

Leverkusen · 2017-10-21T08:55:58.979Z

Justmat:

Can we just move the icons when the grid visualizer is activated, then return them when we go back to live mode?

My post regarding the icon position was removed - maybe because I was not clear enough with my view.

As someone who probably would not use grid functionality a lot with tt I would prefer the icons to stay where they are now in non grid live mode.

scanner_darkly · 2017-10-21T17:43:07.815Z

it was moved to the live monitoring thread but i did see your post. with the discussion on live monitoring my view now is that the grid preview will be just that, and will not have activity icons on it. it will take the top 6 lines (and will have its own icons related to grid specifically), with the bottom 2 lines remaining for live input.

jasonw22 · 2017-10-21T18:22:27.288Z

Leverkusen:

My post regarding the icon position was removed

scanner_darkly:

it was moved to the live monitoring thread but i did see your post

@tehn, I really do think a little communication is warranted.

scanner_darkly · 2017-10-21T18:41:43.447Z

it wasn’t moved by @tehn. i completely agree any mod actions should be explicitly declared, giving a chance to discuss it first. especially for moving individual posts, quite often such move will completely lose the context. i think a much better solution is to ask the person to post in the relevant thread and leave the original post in the original thread with maybe an edit explaining the discussion is taking place elsewhere.