someone said to me recently, in regards to my music making and continued strive to be well and healthy after my mother’s death, “this is how she can heal you now”. it gave me such a new perspective on grief and that endless darkness that the rest of your life after a major loss often looks like.

i’ve always made music through emotional times, for reasons i really don’t think i will ever truly understand, but now i think of that energy that i put back into the world as a soulful extension of healing myself and maybe helping others through their own experiences of grief and loss.

i truly believe that people’s memory and spirit can continue to give to us after they are gone, and those of us who are still here can give that back to the ones we love and to the world which so desperately needs that kind of empathetic energy. it doesn’t make it any easier, and i definitely have many days where making music just feels like too much emotionally, but i think it does make it worth it to keep feeling and creating.

big hearts to everyone here ~

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hard to listen to, but amazing none the less.

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My brother’s wife passed away two and a half years ago. I made this piece at that time as a way of coping: https://soundcloud.com/plusch/passing

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Currently in the hospital after a head on collision and about to fire up supercollider to manage the ptsd. Im definitly guilty of gossip here and there, as im not a perfect person(getting that $35 back to you soon Marty), forgive this gabapentin rant and DC of valium…

The environments that surround has always influenced the tone of the moment. One reason I like to record live improv is this reason, with a concern for the sound.

I constantly hear my fiance (Sara) in pain, others in pain, nurses gossip of how they think clients are “retarted” and administring Sara with morphine without her consent.

I am in the process of processing pain. Im sure the sound will reflect or migrate to an ideal place. This process is interesting. Converging with the pain? or Divergence to my dissonant escape?

How do you process things falling apart?
How do you absorb your your environment into art? How many times does the logo on a synth affect my current mentality?

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How do you absorb your your environment into art?

You can’t avoid it, man

Otherwise I guess your rant wouldn’t come out almost as poetry now.

Just let it happen, and stay close to Sara.

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Wishing you a speedy recovery and healing. Please inform a doctor about the morphine, that’s dangerous stuff.

I’ve been thinking about this too lately, in a much less urgent context. Just started spending time in a rehearsal space and it’s a completely different music making experience compared to the home studio.

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Thank you @lbet and those that have a positive headspace. Also to who merged this. :slight_smile:

Its interesting to me how we search for a changing definition of what happens in pain >> art + the process that occurs. It is hard to label as the moments change, and we change the moments as well.

@healthylives It definitly seems this way,
How is your experience?

Most seem to label a moment bad or good. Very Ghost in the Machine kind of thing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_machine_(disambiguation)

Its almost cathartic to be recording these machine sounds with Sara here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cut-up_technique

Sounds of working healers complain of their clients tuned in F Major to the tempo of Saras pain… (120 average bpm)

One says…
#cookie of the day!
#Why does she need so much damn water.gossip >> /the other.omg she is so annoying when she asks for everything like this.” >> /thats so funny.exclamation

#$:!verbosgaba.boot

#login: almost nihil
#-
#almostnihil@hospital:

#echo “I record these painful sounds and she starts to smile” >> ~/.painandteeth
#mv ~/.painandteeth ~/aSmilefoundinpain.mp3

#WeStareAtScreens -f aSmilefoundinpain.mp3

>>> mp3_Link

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Thank you everyone for sharing your stories and feelings about this. It’s obviously such a personal and hugely difficult topic, but I think there is enormous power in art making to help us journey wisely through the frightening times between phases of our lives, times of loss and confusion, but also sometimes of unexpected vivid beauty.

Last year I was diagnosed unexpectedly with the same cancer that caused my father’s death. It’s been a very scary year, and I am very grateful to have come out of surgery with an excellent prognosis for a long life ahead. Weirdly (and I know this is entirely personal and my own take on what happened to me) I came to value the cancer as a very positive force in my life. I reconnected deeply with friends I hadn’t been close to for a while, I let important people into my life, I reassessed what was important to me and what was not, and I decided to take music-making more seriously.

I bought my first module shortly after my diagnosis and learned to patch while recovering from surgery in pain at home. A couple of months after surgery, whilst I was still shaky on my feet, I played my first live gig, and have since played three more… and I love it!

Every time I switch on my modular, it feels like a celebration of life, and it did even when I thought my time was short. I don’t know whether the music I am making is good or not, but it is intensely personal just by virtue of its birth, and I feel blessed for having that.

I hope you all find solace in acts of creation somehow.

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This moved me to tears. Thank you for sharing your story! I wish you joyful noise for the rest of your journey!

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I’ve been thinking about this topic and was so glad to find it here, thank you to all the stories and perspectives above.

my mother died nearly 5 years ago, and at the time I was finishing my last year of college. The transitions of her loss, and then moving back to the house she used to live in, full of visceral absence, created a broiler plate of emotions that pushed me to find/redefine my creative voice. here’s a poem from seamus heaney that i read at her funeral - from “clearances” which he wrote after his mother’s passing:

When all the others were away at Mass
I was all hers as we peeled potatoes.
They broke the silence, let fall one by one
Like solder weeping off the soldering iron:
Cold comforts set between us, things to share
Gleaming in a bucket of clean water.
And again let fall. Little pleasant splashes
From each other’s work would bring us to our senses.

So while the parish priest at her bedside
Went hammer and tongs at the prayers for the dying
And some were responding and some crying
I remembered her head bent towards my head,
Her breath in mine, our fluent dipping knives—
Never closer the whole rest of our lives.

recently, about 2 weeks ago, i lost a peer and collaborator very suddenly and surprisingly. she was an actor and filmmaker whose brilliance I always marveled at and who had parts written for her in every one of my scripts. it feels like a deeply traumatizing loss to my little community of filmmakers, but I also have deep feelings of guilt for even thinking about the creative loss when her mother is grieving her only daughter.

i’ve always found the way these things affect me strange and unexpected - such that I look back on the time after my mother died and can understand what I was going thru in retrospect much more than I could at the time. it spurned a creative burst, but it certainly didn’t make me feel productive at the time.

in light of the recent loss of mike mcgrath (who I didn’t know personally), nipsey hussle, lyra mckee, the bombings in sri lankai i thought this might be a good topic to bump. i think the recent death of my friend has made these more “public” deaths feel much deeper to me. I’ve hardly had a day off from work since my friends passing, and I know I tend to need time and space alone to deal with these things, but I’ve felt a bit overwhelmed by loss and death recently. Perhaps it will turn into something creative that can pay tribute to these great losses, but for now it doesn’t feel like there’s any fertile ground.

here’s some more Seamus Heaney from “Doubletake”, a poem which talks mostly about history and injustice, but the ending bit feels relevant here to the feelings I’m having:

So hope for a great sea-change
on the far side of revenge.
Believe that a further shore
is reachable from here.
Believe in miracles
and cures and healing wells.

Call the miracle self-healing:
The utter self-revealing
double-take of feeling.
if there’s fire on the mountain
or lightning and storm
and a god speaks from the sky.

That means someone is hearing
the outcry and the birth-cry
of new life at its term.

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This post, this thread has to be one of the most intimate and cathartic things I’ve read in quite a while. I’m humbled and moved by your openness and sincerity and, with trepidation, join in the conversation by relating a few things.

The first time that creativity and grief were blended in my life was after one of my best friends committed suicide. My writing got blocked, then choked, then dynamited with an explosion that covered my landscape. While weeping I wrote bitter tirades in disbelief, anger and ultimately uneasy acceptance of what he had done.

Eighteen years later my mother committed suicide. During the month after that event I wrote raw abrasive grating poems that I filed away and did not read again for eight years. This event seemingly banished my muse for years and left me bereft. After that long desert my muse reappeared, and engaging with artistic creation helped save me from despair. Then I came across those poems written in that first bitter month, and they contributed to my healing.

I don’t really know how any of this really works, but it seems that being open to the process allows more possibilities than shutting down and locking the windows and doors would.

May each person in grief be comforted, may each person wishing to create be gifted by the muse.
Peace,

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lost my mom late last year
we had a nice service with many people who loved her
it was nice
we miss her

we’re still making stuff…,
we’re lucky :slightly_smiling_face:

Books! What are you currently reading or just finished?

Latest tracks + videos

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Thank you for this thread… This place is very special for people to open up like this.

My father was diagnosed with terminal cancer the same week my wife and I met our adoptive children.

After 5 years he finally succumbed in 2017. The mourning period began well before then as we saw him suffer, struggle, and grieve his own deterioration. Coupled with the challenge of adoptive parenting, the realisation that we don’t really ‘fit’ into ‘normal’ parenting circles and having our naive parenting aspirations dashed led to a double whammy of sadness.

I wrote this tune with that in mind…

My initial grief led to a few musings on the modular. Just wiggling to process really…

I’m starting to come through things now. We’re finding our way as a family. I’ve learnt to ensure a high priority for self care.

Mainly I’ve had it hit home that if I don’t get on with life now, I might lose my chance. Dad had so many aspirations and seeing them whittled down over his illness to walking a few steps, or watching a particular TV programme in daytime TV was a big part of the heartbreak.

I’ve been galvanised to get out there and gig with my modular, write more music, connect with like minded people, work a bit less. The sadness of losing my lovely dad has, at least, helped us reprioritise away from 'the treadmill of life.

[edited for clarity]

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I hope this isn’t too much of a tangent.

When I reacted to suffering with anger, making art was, if not easy, at least not insurmountably difficult. Now that I’ve lost that reaction (because “maturity”, not wanting to negatively affect those around me, etc), I find making art to be nearly impossible. Pain alone isn’t enough.

Being able to express grief through art would be a blessing.

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sometimes it helps me to let myself feel my anger, even if it doesn’t make sense to be angry.

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anger is real
dark side has power
we used to hear
outer space is empty…
now we hear, it’s mostly dark energy and dark matter
in the lexicon of 'star wars
use your anger to become a 'Sith
(edit: or anger as hate/disconnection/resentment
easy for me to let grief turn into this…
yes, like a pokémon saying our own name over and over
i’m talking to myself about myself
please feel something
we’re humans :slightly_smiling_face:
on a level i’ve only heard about,
not where i’m at…
it doesn’t matter what we do
and everything that we do matters)

how do you want it to be?
true this, life and light always triumph
ask the milky way, or the cherry tomato plant growing in the alley
act 'as if. :sparkles:

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Last week my therapist told me I should be angier.

It was a peculiar recommendation to me. Anger is a complicated feeling for me to engage. He noted that healthy anger tends to emerge from a harm you feel and, importantly, provides a way out of sadness. Anger that lacks this connection is disconnected and harmful.

I haven’t figured out what that means to me yet, but it seemed prescient and rings of truth.

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I talk a lot about anger with my patients, especially cis-men. Our culture (specifically the US, but I believe Western culture generally, although I’m very untravelled) tends to label anger as an inherently Bad Thing (the above Star Wars reference and its archetypal roots being an excellent example).

Anger is an inherent part of grief. Its evolutionary roots are in our literal fight for survival – defending oneself against threats, human or otherwise. It’s as indispensable to and as much a phenomenon of being human as sound or color. I think of it as energy for change: it needs direction, but it can be a powerful good. Like a firehose, if no one’s holding on to it, it will trash the place, but, aimed, it can save lives.

I still haven’t found a ready and safe expression of anger in my art, but there is art that is exquisite in its anger. I take inspiration from that.

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I had a therapist once who said “anger is force suppressed, like a river that is dammed up. You need to safely release some or your ability to control it will be overwhelmed, just like the dam.”

Then she handed me a tennis racket and pointed me to a mattress she had (I wondered why it was there).

“Go ahead and hit that as hard as you can with the tennis racket while saying what it is that is making you angry.”

The first time it took ten minutes for me to get it all out, and by the time I was done I was physically and mentally exhausted. But I felt better, and while the anger wasn’t gone (as the sources of it persisted), I felt able to deal with it productively.

Anger, like all emotions, needs to flow for it to serve.

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Like others have said, I have really appreciated reading through this thread. Thank you all for your vulnerability and openness.

My mom was diagnosed with Pancreatic Cancer in 2016 and has been battling ever since. Music creation has been invaluable to me in coping with the ups and downs of her illness and coming to terms with her declining health.

Though I am a therapist myself, there are times where I can’t articulate how I am feeling. However, I have been able to (for the most part) express/capture my feeling states through music. Specifically ambient, drone, and experimental music, which for me get at parts of the human experience that transcend language.

Zen practice and study have also enhanced my ability to accept and open up to things that are inevitable (like death/impermanence) and outside of my control. Most of the time if I’m able to identify what is going on below the surface (sadness, helplessness, lack of control, fear), anger doesn’t factor into the equation (not that anger is a bad thing…like others have said above it’s suppressed anger or unchecked anger that is the problem). I am then able to appreciate the time I have left with my mom and take each day at a time (and let go of all the catastrophic and worst case scenarios my mind likes to throw my way).

This also helps me to sit down and continue creating and sharing my experiences with others. Our instincts will tell us not to be vulnerable, when it is exactly what we need to be in order to heal and express ourselves creatively.

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