I was checking out the documentation to the ditto x4, which I have but never use.
It has mode switches to shift some of the functions around.
The first switch lets you set the looper to record on press and overdub on second press. No clicks inbetween. It also has 2 loops and a discrete stop/clear button.

I am linking the manual so you can read it.
http://cdn-downloads.tcelectronic.com/media/5642044/ditto-x4-looper_m_en.pdf

These loopers are usually about 200$ used. I am hoping that is in your budget.
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The only unit I’ve been able to find thus far that satisfies the above criteria—record, playback, immediate overwrite/replace upon hitting record again—is the Echoplex EDP, particularly in its SUSTAIN mode (as seen here) which allows variable length samples that aren’t relegated to typical ‘glitch’-duration. I thought maybe to look at early ‘looper’ units, since the desired task is so primitive. The Digitech PDS-8000 is another possible (and less expensive) candidate with its INFINITE REPEAT+HOLD function, though I’m not entirely sure how one overwrites.

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I received an Organelle yesterday. I’m not really planning to go into PureData-programming but it seems like a perfect unit to host a simple looper-patch that just switches between record/playback. You would just connect a footswitch on the back.

I hadn’t really thought about it that way, but since Organelle being a computer can take on any role/any patch. It might actually (in my situation, being a gear-hoarder) pay for itself by letting me unload stuff/pedals I rarely use.

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Indeed! Here are the organelle factory patches tagged ‘looper’. More floating around on patchstorage and the C&G forum.

https://www.critterandguitari.com/tags/looper

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Just saw this:

There’s a video if you scroll down a bit. At a first glance it ticks a lot of boxes. Price is not super-cheap and it has a touch-screen though.

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Continuing this from Need a looper: Replace Digitakt with ______?

Posting it here, because it’s a more general thought and not directly an answer to the other topic OP’s question

Right now I don’t think there’s anything that ticks all my boxes when it comes to looping.

I find the Octatrack pretty unusable for looping, except if you don’t use overdubbing
The Blackbox seems cool if you want to sample loops on the fly and/or mostly use existing loops, but don’t need to overdub or do any of the classic guitar pedal looper tricks.
The Boss RC-505 does 5 tracks (also asynchronous), but lacks pitch shifiting, you can’t adjust start/stop points, looks bad and is entirely made of plastic. The EHX 45000 has 4 tracks but they can’t be asynchronous, etc.
In the end, it might be best to just get multiple units of simpler one/two track loopers.
I’m recently using the Eventide Timefactor as a looper and it’s pretty cool. You can adjust start/stop points, pitch shift with various quantization options also in reverse and it’s pretty straightforward to use. The only major gripe I have with it is that to go into reverse mode – something I use a lot – you have to pass through all the pitch shifting options in between. In its simplest configuration (octaves) when you are playing at 1x speed you need to go through 0.5x, 0.25x 0 (stopped) -0.25 and -0.5. The pitch shifting is immediate and real-time, it doesn’t wait for the next loop iteration, so any change you make is immediately audible, which isn’t desirable in most cases and especially problematic with drones and long sustained sounds.

If I’d find a looper like the Timefactor, but with a dedicated reverse switch, I’d totally get it!

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Could you trigger it straight to -1 with midi? Timefactor looper is lots of fun indeed!

Feel like i’m potentially stating the obvious here, but i haven’t messed around with other loopers since i got MLR on norns. Such an amazing piece of gear. Setting patterns is super fun. Super nice to send clock to ableton.

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That is indeed a good idea. Haven’t really thought about that. In general I like devices to be self-sufficent and am not a huge fan of adding “dongles” to it. I wonder if there’s a small MIDI footpedal that I could use for that…

Lucky you :smiley:

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The Timefactor can have a dedicated reverse switch. One option (which I haven’t tested yet) is to get/build an auxiliary footswitch, which you can assign the functions of, reverse being one of them I believe.

There’s also the reverse play mode on the Timefactor itself. The Xnob becomes your play mode selection in looper mode. If you go full clockwise there’s a mode called [AP:RVDIR], which functions just like the regular continuous looping mode, but the play footswitch now immediately reverses direction rather than playing the loop from its start point. If I recall correctly, one caveat is this behavior happens when you’re initially recording a loop as well, so you might need to switch to this mode mid performance if you want to avoid that.

I’ve only had the Timefactor for a couple months but it’s quickly become my favorite looping pedal I’ve tried and the main element of my current live sample rig. It has some quirks that I can see turning off a lot of people (low amount of high-quality loop time being the main one), but I really like how playable the interface is and I enjoy having to react to it’s quirks.

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Have you looked at the Boomerang?

Oh yes I have! It looks really great (not the design, but what it does of course), but it’s almost impossible to find over here.

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Yeah, it’s not a great looking device, for sure. Seems to do a lot of what I’m after.

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Someone must have mentioned by now but just in case and/or for completionist tendencies:

The Looperlative is the gold standard of functional looping devices. There just aren’t too many of them in existence. I have one and it is the bees knees. Multiple tracks, different lengths, syncable lengths, forwards, backwards, everything anyone ever wanted in a looper.

Barring that… there was a Max4Live plugin/system developed by technologist/saxophonist Dan Rome which is fantastic and does what you want as well if you don’t mind the laptop. It’s no longer in active development but I bet if you ask Dan will get you a link.

You’re in luck, the middle button can be set to instantly reverse. One of the knobs chooses what it does, set it to ‘rvdir’. Use mine like this all the time.

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I just found this post, and thought about the loopers i used to use years ago djing.
After lots of head scratching i found them in a closet…and they work too!

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I figured I’d mention I have two Dittos, and am pondering a third. Combined they work great in parallel and serial, and allow for easy asynchronous activity. A pair of Dittos, my guitar, and my iPad (for effects) make a great setup.

I have considered the bigger Dittos, and may end up snagging one.

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Those are sweet let me know if you don’t need two :slight_smile:

This venerable thing was brought out of retirement the other day, in all of its clunky 12-bit glory. Each button is for a segment of a sample recorded in (there is no persistent storage) via the jacks, and they can be triggered individually by the Start/Stop or repeated in a loop that can be chopped up on the fly or pitched rather wonkily. Run through enough effects and it’s quite pleasingly lo-fi and tactile.

The only other time I’ve seen one of these was built into a pair of budget all-in-one DJ record decks made by Waltham or someone similar from the 1990s.

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My 2 cents: you will probably never find the «ultimate» looper. I currently have a memory man with hazarai, a Ditto x2 and a Zoia running into a mixer with Fates in the FX loop. Looping the loops.

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