@raincity i found out one of them has a faulty pad (maybe ill open it and see if if can figure out what the problem is, maybe a bad contact or something) the other one crashes randomly. Was using them this afternoon and sometimes it would work just fine. I hope to keep them both 
@IcaroFerre this where trusty loopers back in the time before cdj´s and such, but yes your are right about the beat detection. One thing i used to do is feed a 4/4 beat to it, and then use that tempo for the set. Sometimes its cool that things are not looping perfectly, its different with beats as it can get off the beat, but some people also are after that with loops.
I like that you can reverse the samples, loop or just trigger them one shot.
I have no idea what happened to redsound, are they still going?