I’m not sure I follow. You mean if you save the backing track, you can’t increase the volume of it beyond what it was recorded at? or beyond the volume of the top-level track that is playing?

I’ve stopped using my TimeFactor as a delay, it’s on full-time looping duty now :slight_smile: Totally in love with the waveform scanning and quantized pitch shifting, so many textures to be squeezed from a single loop, and it’s all midi controllable too. Just wish you could make it do delay-style loop decay but I can work with the current system.

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hi all, i use the ehx 22500 and the CT5. it makes sense for the stuff i am doing and makes it easy to draft new tracks with the high quality recording straight to sd card. my pal tom, (who makes music as benoit pioulard) was over at my place when i got it and rushed home to buy one for himself. he has used it live and on a few of his ep’s ever since. i know he used it on this release quite a bit. lovely! here is my little board…


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The volume of the top level track represents 100% possible volume for the backing track. You can’t have the backing track heard if the top level track is at 0 volume.

Right, that makes sense. You basically have one overall volume for each track and then a secondary balance between the current loop and backing track.

Yes. It’s not ideal. I will experiment this afternoon switching the two tracks so I can have the control I want on a particular piece I’m working on. I can’t record the ‘overdub’ bits without hearing the other part. I’ll report back asap.

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Bad news. I had misread the manual. One can only save the backing tracks, so not really any way to do what I was hoping to do.
However, when one has already saved a backing track, and then record more on the top level, saving again to the backing track does not erase the original backing track but mixes the two together into a new backing track.

Oh, I didn’t realize it saves to a new file, I just assumed it overwrote. That’s actually really useful.

That’s what I tried to do and it didn’t overwrite, it mixed the two together. Could definitely be really useful at times. sadly, not this time :wink:

Yeah. The core of my live setup for years was a pair of timefactors both on looping duty.
It’s the most flexible looper I’ve found by far.

Im still working with a 2880 and CT5 but for me the Cocoquantus is hands down my favourite. Its just an incredibly creative device that throws away the looping rulebook - very leftfield and not for everyone, but i love it. Its a circuit bent modular dual 8 bit looper and includes a middle modulation section that has 5 oscillators/lfos/sample+hold’s. I think it works best with piezos and other contact mics for organic percussive material. The circuit board layout is a map of Washington DC - Pentagon! I think it has something that the other loopers don’t have and thats charactor and soul. I record from the Cocoquantus to the 2880 and build tracks from there. Heres some stuff i’ve been working on

https://vimeo.com/205010031

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Fascinating. I have no idea how / what the cocoquantus does, but it definitely looks and sounds cool :slight_smile:

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I use an EHX 22500 too. It’s not perfect (no sync in) but it’s got lots of useful features (and the pitch shifting can get into weird/cool grainy stuff when used in the extreme down, too). I just wish there was a way to sync it to an incoming clock using the foot controller input but I asked EHX and apparently that’s not something they plan to do…

I’ve also been using a Boss DD-20 for ages and that thing is also wonderful and full of nice tricks. I never use the sound on sound mode but just 100% feedback on another mode. Very good delay-based looper, and the display of loop time in ms makes it easy to sync to something else (very solid clock). You can also sync it to an external clock using the tap tempo input, I’ve done that sometimes…

it was the Rastko videos where i first heard about. He used the mk 1 which used screws instead of banana jacks

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7th anniversary on a festival dedicated to looping here in cyprus, of all places :slight_smile:

http://www.louvana.com.cy/festival/lefkosia-loop-festival/lefkosia-loop-festival-2017.html

for future reference maybe?

a personal favorite (especially knob tweaking on infinite repeat mode):

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I don’t think the Boss RC-505 has been mentioned here yet. After trying Ableton Live, Loopy for iPad, an EHX 2880 and a Time Factor I finally ended up buying a RC-505 and haven’t looked back since.
It’s far from being perfect, the body is made of not-so-good-feeling plastic, some of the on-board FX are terrible, it has no decay/feedback for the loops and in general it feels like it’s a bit disproportionally big… but, it’s still the perfect looper for me. The things I like about it are that you get 5 totally independent loops (not 1 loop divided in 4 tracks as on the 2880), so you can have each have its own length, synced or unsynced. I also like the fact that I can see where I am in the loop, that can be handy sometimes when there’s a lot going on and you can’t hear stuff well anymore. Some of the oboard fx are lousy, but some are decent imho. I use the beat repeat and beat scatter ones a lot and the cool thing is, that when you use them wile overdubbing, the resulting audio replaces the old loop, so you can keep messing with the loop.
It does support multiple sets (memories as they call them), so you can even prepare a set with some loops already there, and then jump around between them (in a quantized way if you need it).
The sync works well and is pretty solid, the time stretching is ok for small tempo changes (though I rarely use it).
an example of what I do with it:

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Yeah I’ve looked at the the rc-505 many times but I really couldn’t get past that aesthetics. I know it’s silly but I just couldn’t do it. I guess it is for the same reason that I wouldn’t buy an ugly guitar even if it sounded great and did all the things that I needed it to do.
The 505 seems like a really powerful tool though.
Maybe we could rehouse it in a different box?
Now if only there was somebody who is really good at designing front panels that could come up with an improved look for it… let me know if you think of anyone;)

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Yeah, if I ever bump into one I’ll let you know! :smiley:
But I’m afraid that it would take more than just a frontpanel. Unfortunately these boxes are not like Elektron’s (or other makers that use nice rectangular metal boxes). The 505 is in an injection-moulded box, to make one of these it’s going to be at least 50K just to have the necessary hardware made.
But I totally get your point about the aesthetics, it’s really not a great looking thing, and with all those lights it looks a bit too much like a pimped up ride.
Btw. Roland seems to be very good at this lately :slight_smile:

Who says the new box has to be injection moulded too though? Surely not too hard to dump all the PCBs into a new enclosure.