#346

I’m trying to understand where velocity is incorporated in this patch. Just so that I understand correctly, the Envelope gets delayed and gets subtracted from itself, right?

Care to explain your patch a little more?

In regards to Comb, I don’t usually change its pitch/frequency control. It’s a good idea to use it in a feedback patch scenario (see @kilchhofer suggestions earlier on this thread) where a LPF will be the driving force behind pitch change.

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#347

Not OP, but that would form a basic rate of change patch to extract velocity as a CV.

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#348

Yes, the velocity is the subtraction of the delayed signal from the original envelope. I’m trying to simulate literal velocity, as in how fast it’s going in one direction and using that to VCA the noise.

The original velocity signal turns negative as the delayed envelope rises above the original envelope so for the noise I ran it through a rectified.

I’m running some resonant low pass filtering on the noise to make it sound more like a pick, this is modulated by a derivative of the velocity.

I also wanted the effect of the string going sharp as it gets hit too hard, which was done with the rectified velocity through a slew only affecting the fall. I think if I used something else than Comb it would be a pretty nice effect.

I also tried deriving a keyboard-style sampled velocity to affect the damping but I realize in retrospect that my think was al wrong. I tried getting it from when it switches over to negative but that doesn’t actually give you a variant signal. But that part of the patch is doing something to the damp.

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#349

Is there any vco that you would recomend in the mangrove flavour, ideally less hp?
Looking at the godspeed+ but not so sure it gives that woody reeds and breath.

Or can Just Friends really be tricked in this direction (i do have a few patch recomendations for that still to try, lack of egs)

#350

You could probably use a function generator to get the same kinds of sounds. I would use it together with another oscillator that triggers it at audio rates rather than have it loop itself.

#351

Yep thats why i think of an vco to mate with Jf instead of simple egs. But probably missing a lot on the jf sound side that way. Hah so both.

But anything similar to mangrove? Can be exotic/diy
Maybe sth that combines EG/Vco and has „that“ kind of tone?

#352

I have to say I’m intrigued by your system, looks like a fun playground. Quick question about the ResEq, I can’t find any info on it. Who’s it by and what do you make of it? Appealing footprint for sure.

#353

It is quite fun, but it needs a slightly bigger case. My current aim is at 74hp 6U. I want to add some modules in this arsenal without losing the focus of a “single instrument”. Ideally I’d settle at 60hp, but I really want to add some feedback options to open things up a bit more, and some compression modules. The more I delve into it, the more I realize how important these elements are in this setup.

Send me a PM and I’ll give you information on the ResEQ. It’s a lovely lovely design by a friend.
I owned both the original mk1 version and the Random*Source one which I very recently sold. Having three is a bit too much I think! Each iteration has its perks, admittedly, but I have a thing for sliders and this is just so small, sounds so nice, and covers everything I’d want on my live case. I can recommend it, especially if size is of the essence, as it so often is in performance cases.

#354

What role in your guys opinion do waveshapers play in Physical modeling?
I am about to order a set of pcbs from fricko! Australia as the approach very much appeals to me and had some informative dialog with the guy.

I am having a super limited setup with just friends as voice, no dedicated Eg for now besides env follower with AR but will try to add one, lpg wich kinda substitutes Eg and a ffb914 similar to a resEQ. So the main voice JF might not be the finest for PM but i hope with the help ofthese sophisticated waveshapers i will be able to add similar territory to mangroves waveshapers.

Most interesting is the anti-phase of 2 Blip!s and the fibonacci sequence one. To the people who are heavy into PM on here, what do you think about this approach?

#355

Just going to chime in and say that I’m getting some excellent brass, woodwind, flute and reed tones from Verbos Harmonic Oscillator and Foundation Oscillator going through Amp & Tone and the Bark Filter! Quite unexpected and very delighted. Will make some demos soon.

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#356

I would love to see that demo! I also have a HO and the BARK FILTER. I’ve been thinking about getting the FOUNDATION, but as I already own the COMPLEX OSCILLATOR I don’t know if it’s going to give me that extra something …

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#357

I’ve just uploaded a little video performance that shows these kinds of oboe/bassoon/clarinet/flute kinds of timbres:

I think that these reedy, woody tones are achieved through being able to overdrive the Foundation Oscillator at different stages, starting with its wavefolder, then the resonance and input gain on Amp & Tone, then on the input of Bark Filter. From there its a combination of using the filters in Amp & Tone and Bark to shape the “body” of the sounds.

Also this piece has the Verbos Harmonic Oscillator running through Jolin Lab Agogo and Intellijel Springray to give some lovely plucked string/malleted sounds. I also just got a Modcan Dual Delay that does such a beautiful job of “glueing” the timbres together!

I may make a drier, more scientific type demonstration of how these different elements play together soon, if anyone is interested.

I also have the Complex Oscillator (mostly in my other 7u system), but I’d say that the Foundation Oscillator does have its own personality. I was actually considering selling it because it has a pretty aggressive sounding waveshaper that I’m not that into on its own, but then I got my hands on the Amp & Tone in a local sale at a very good price, and that makes all the difference in taming the Foundation Oscillator and bringing out its subtleties and gentler tones, while also pairing very very well with the Bark Filter. I’d sooner recommend the Amp & Tone over the Foundation Oscillator to go with the Bark Filter and your Harmonic and Complex oscillators. If you are needing a third oscillator it does play very nicely with them, but I’d also say that Mangrove is also a very very good companion (I have two in my other system).

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#358

(Late chime in, but any looping envelope works as a VCO, and I really, really used to enjoy using my Pittsburgh function as a phased lock loop to get Mangrove-like harmonics. Module uses fewer hp if I recall correctly and can be found on the cheap.)

#359

It’s been a long time since then, so I guess it won’t count as flooding the thread, will it? :sweat_smile:

Here’s the last clip from that patch I posted earlier on, from the actual performance in Copenhagen. Mangrove is just stunning as a brass core.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CFPZ1YHhgSH/

In the meantime, I managed to trade some stuff for an ECR-1 so … convolution here we go! Will report back, but generally being able to use actual IR from instrument bodies will hopefully bring another level of realism to my patching.

Hope everyone is well in these crazy times.

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#360

I’m really interested in the ECR-1 but haven’t seen any decent videos or sound demos. Please, upload any test if you can!

#361

I haven’t received mine yet (I guess it’s a trend for this thread for me to post about modules that are incoming :smiley:) but I most certainly will post some videos once I get it going. Been focusing on sound design lately for a project and PM and Convolution plays a huge role.

#362

i had a chance to use a yamaha vp1 quite recently and in just a few seconds it was making sounds i never heard before, just tweaking a preset

would love to hear more modern takes on the VL/ VP idea, it seems a lot of physical modelling synths today are focused on modal synthesis, the yamaha stuff is much deeper

the korg prophecy is still pretty underrated too, gets heavy use in my studio

the technics wsa is interesting but more like a big filterbank to run pcm samples through. the rossum morpheus is in a way a modern equivalent as it has many filter cubes dedicated to modelling the resonant qualities of real instruments. also almost like a convolution processor in a way

i recently did a video on the wsa1 but it seems someone has blocked my ability to share youtube videos on here :slight_smile:

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#363

New accounts are limited for anti spam purposes. Browse and post a bit more to get your forum level up; shouldn’t take long.

#364

Good to know, thanks

#365

Could you expand on the PM aspect of this a bit more? This thing has always intrigued me. As a virtual analog it seems pretty bland (I think it has the same engine as e.g. the first gen Electribes?) but the other stuff it can do seems pretty interesting.