Haha! Yes we went with bandcds and the product ended up amazing. Full shell printing looks amazing and the tapes sound great - literally sounded a million times better than our mobineko run. Weren’t too keen on the recycled card stock look, we wanted to try it for the environmental aspect but the colours didn’t quite come out properly so ended up going with gloss. Communication was good except for a 1.5 week stint of silence, but they more than made up for that in their speed of delivery, quality of product and communication after that. Would recommend!

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I’m wondering when people that have done cassette releases decided to do their first one. I want to make a few of the album I’m currently working on, but I have had very few purchases of my previous work and feel like I might just be blowing my money if I invest in a deck and some tapes. Did most of you already have a fair bit of interest in your music before launching a cassette?

the first time i did a cassette release was for my band whose reach at the time extended as far as our small friend group of other musicians, and family. i found a free dual cassette deck on craigslist (a radio studio was getting rid of their outdated equipment that was sitting in a closet). we made 50 tapes, hand dubbed (real time lol), wrote on the cassette itself with paint marker, screen printed the covers (cardboard 0-cards), and glued them together. it’s a lot of work but it’s very rewarding. we did put them up for sale online but they rarely sold on there and the reason why we made the tapes in the first place was because we had a string of shows coming up, and then later did a small weekend tour with friends. i think playing shows is the best way to get your music out there if you’re still building an internet base and also the best reason to make a physical release at that stage. you have to start somewhere… usually there is a startup cost but cassettes are very forgiving and the price is not too high. it took a long time to sell those 50 tapes but having them and sharing them was more valuable than making a profit.

if finding a cheap deck isn’t working, you can buy 50 dubbed cassettes with DIY packaging on duplication.ca for $100, which is probably what you would end up spending anyway, if not more for a deck. and with all old machines calibration is always something to be weary of (your tape will get dubbed too fast or too slow). as fun as it is to DIY the entire project, you don’t really end up saving that much, especially accounting for the time it takes. i would skip the deck maybe unless you can find one for free and just order plain dubbed cassettes and make the rest an art project.

have fun :slight_smile: and i hope that helped a little

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Thanks for the reply. Good point about the calibration, I hadn’t thought of that.

I was thinking a big advantage of going home-brew would be that I can just make the tapes to order, rather than have to make a run of a certain amount that might not all sell. And I do have a chance to pick up a good quality dual deck for $30 right now. After some math I think I could DIY a total of 25 tapes (and get a calibration tape) for around $75 plus shipping each of them out, which doesn’t seem too bad. But I’ll just have to wait and think about it. Still probably 3-4 months out from finishing the album so I have time to decide.

that sounds great! having a dual deck is fun and useful and yeah works well especially if you make them to order. i know at times it is also possible to find discounted cassettes that already have a length, so maybe keep and eye out for those too.

Our first releases were cassettes, no prior interest or releases whatsoever for the artists, we just got the tapes made and shoved them up for sale on bandcamp and hoped for the best. If you make an attractive product people will want to buy it, the bandcamp crowd operate largely within the platform to find and buy new music - being in the newly released list alone sparks a lot of interest and sales.
I think the key is just making something people hear AND see and want to buy, so putting some time into design and creating a little bit of an image on the bandcamp page.
If you go for getting tapes dubbed and printed etc via a company just stick with low volumes to start with. Think it took 6 weeks to sell 20 tapes x 2 albums for our first two simultaneous releases, but took just under a week to sell 30tapes x 3 simultaneous releases recently. It’s crazy how quick interest picks up.

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Yeah, visual design is something that enjoy a lot, so I’ve put a lot of care into the artwork that accompanies my releases so far, and tried to create a consistent look for the smbols project. I plan on including some sort of physical artwork with the cassettes as well. Book binding is another hobby of mine, so maybe doing a small art book or fold-out type thing since I always love when albums come with those.

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Now that sounds like something I would buy! Book binding is a beautiful and underappreciated art in this day and age.
I do also think there is much to be said for simply selling something physical vs digital. There are a lot of people out there that will fork out for something tangible but wouldn’t for a digital file. Granted, our albums always go up as pay what/if you like, but digital sales have been incredibly small compared to physical.

In our city CD production is cheaper than cassettes but CD revival is not on the horizon.
I have nor CD not cassette players at home, only in the village house + vinyl for top-20 records and some presents from friends. From the other side, releasing on physical source (any time) is a lot me looks like a ‘result’ than just uploading new tracks on bandcamps and distro. My new idea is release my new stuff on physical source with an option Pay as you want with allowed 0$. It’s better that have stock of cassettes for years (still have about a dozen of cd’s from batch of 75 and don’t know what to do with it).

Rubber stamps with waterproof permanent craft ink pads are great for DIY on-shell cassette printing, takes a steady hand not to smudge tho

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This is my limited experience as well, there’s only 1 cassette left out of 12 from my physical release, and I only got 3 digital sales. Seems people don’t mind paying a little extra for a physical product.

(I admit that 14 sales is not exactly a representative sample size)

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Great thread. Some comments from the consumers point of view. I have looked at Bandcamp and bought a few tapes from Irish label Fort Evil Fruit and like the tapes being released by Russian ambient label Klammklang but they sell out so quickly given the small print runs. I dont want to just get the FLAC file so I dont buy but hope for another print run. I have seen some great tapes from USA but shipping to Ireland is about 10 Euros on top of say 8 for the tape and at 18 Euros I just cant justify the cost. Ive bought a few tapes on Discogs but again the shipping is so high unless you get the item real cheap then you are screwed. I dont know him but maybe the guy from Fort Evil Fruit in Ireland could host some tapes but the market here is small so its doubtful that would happen.
Postage is usually based on weight I would have thought so maybe there should always be a cheapie option to chance budget mailing but then you guys are probably afraid to get ripped of by people saying they didnt get them but I think given the context of what is being bought I dont believe many people would do that. Postage cost is stunting the growth of sales of that I would have no doubt.
Keep up the great work all you musicians and label owners out there.

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The USPS subsidises really cheap inbound mail from China by jacking the outbound mail prices really high ($15 for a tape for example)

I had tried to come up with a solution for small run tape distribution, but the only solutions I could come up with either led to really long delivery times, or relocated stock which is bad for small runs (no-one wants 3 tapes stuck in the Australian “distribution” when there’s 3 people looking for the tapes in the UK)

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Whats all you folks opinion on the sound quality of the new tapes being released. Ive read mixed reports but personally I probably dont have fancy enough gear to know without comparing with flac file and thats work!!
Ive a Technics RS-T330R which was claimed to be one of few good dual decks. Ive read of high speed copying on poor quality tapes and the resulting item as more a collectable than an audiophile product. Do you think there is a market for really well recorded tapes with like food detailed origins of product i.e tape used. equipment used to record etc. I noticed these new blank tapes are out now it might be worth checking em out. https://www.recordingthemasters.com/

Does anyone know if there’s someone out there that makes an embosser that can be used on chipboard? Is that even possible to do in a similar way as on paper?

Question about final arrangements.

I have my tracklist for my album done, and the A side is 14 minutes 18 seconds, B side is 13 minutes 13 seconds. 27 minutes, 31 seconds total.

Duplication.ca only offers blank tapes in full minute increments, so if I get a 29 minute long tape (so I have a full 14:30 for side A) is it better to put the remaining 12 seconds of silence at the beginning or end of that side? If I put it at the end, the tape will start right when you press play but then there will be an awkward pause between sides, and if I put the silence at the beginning people will have to sit through it to start the album or risk fast-forwarding past the first couple seconds of the first song.

Not sure which is better or what’s typical, but it seems better to me to put the silence at the beginning so it doesn’t interrupt the flow of the album midway.

Extra silence always at the end of the side. That’s pretty standard in commercial cassettes from back in the 80’s and 90’s. Also think about the experience you want people to have, it’s probably not putting it on and waiting…

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12 seconds is pretty negligible in the grand scheme of tape side silence gaps. I’d probably put 4-6 seconds on the front and the rest on the tail. Most tapes I buy these days have almost a minute of silence at the end of each side.

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Okay cool–thank you both for the advice!

Current recommendations on tape duplication services within eu and have fast delivery?

Was about to order from T.A.P.E. MUZIK but they’re asking for some copyright license thingy I’d rather not delve into just now (bit of a rush with this one).