#62

I have two possibilities. The ‚correct‘ input would be my gristleizer preamp by Furure Sound Systems. This is basically a Marshall jcm800 clone (including an envelope follower) and sounds exactly like that…with a guitar. It has a dedicated euroline in but as you guessed it the way a marshall overdrives is not very spectacular with euro sounds. Still for a perfect guitar input into my case, this is the way. I have my pedals going into that preamp like i would in the guitar world. As gain staging is quite important with pedals, plugging into this preamp makes it also behave like a guitarsetup-ie step on the fuzz to further sculpt the final sound inside the preamp.
And then i have a Intellijell Audio I/O to sculpt a sound inside eurorack with an external pedal. Here i have all modularity possible. I can use both to play around in feedback circles. The best feature of this module is the level indicators-i wouldnt want to crank 20dbs without seeing where overdrive begins.

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#63

I’m wondering if any of my guitar pedals can handle eurorack levels.

Primarily Line 6 DL4, but others as well.

What specific information would one look for in pedal manuals, or ask pedal manufacturers about?

Thanks!

#64

I wonder if anyone can offer my any advice or suggestions

Ive used a few guitar pedals with my eurorack setup for a few years now as post-effects before going to some rack reverbs and then into my audio interface with computer. Never had any problems but a few months back I packed my modules away while I acquired a different rack (TipTop Mantis), at the same time I sorted and changed my small studio place around, mostly repositioning equipment and tidying wires etc. I setup my eurorack up again and but now get a distortion when running my eurorack through any combination of the pedals, this isn’t your usual guitar pedal hum but a disortion only on the sound, so if there’s no sound coming from the Eurorack there’s no noise. Ive tried attenuating the signal but get the same distortion no matter how low I put the singal. Is there anything really obvious I might be missing? My guess is that it might having something to do with the power supplies?

It’s worth noting that I was using my OP-1 and Korg with no issues prior to setting up the modular

#65

somebody with more technical knowledge than me might be able to jump in here, but in this video demo from AI synthesis he talks about how the impedance difference between euro and what pedals expect can affect the signal. I think it’s probably noise from your euro power supply that is more noticeable because of the impedance mismatch. Not a pedal expert, but since you didn’t specify what sort of signal you’re sending out of the rack it seems like this could possibly be the cause. Doesn’t totally explain why it worked before and doesn’t now but could be related to order of the pedals or some other signal chain change or maybe it is just the power supply change—I couldn’t say.

#66

Thankyou for your reply, ill have a watch of the video

#67

Hi friends.

So after using a “traditional” pedalboard for a decade+ now I’ve been leaning towards a more hands on approach to my fx boxes. And I’ve started playing around with the idea of replacing my pedalboard with a semi small case of modules.

Current setup:

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Chain is:

  • Julia chrous/detune/vibrato
  • Super fuzz
  • Boss
  • Old Blood Noise Dark Star Reverb
  • Stereo Memory Man
  • Ditto X2 - the signal splits here and 1 line goes into a mixer while the second goes into:
  • Zoia - Signal splits again and goes into another line in the mixer and the second line goes into:
  • Pladask Elektrisk Form2(end of chain, into another line of the mixer)

The mixer has my FATES in an aux send/return.

What modules would people recommend?
I am trying to see how much it would cost me to go all modular with my guitar setup, and if I can flip my old equipment to get enough bank to not go broke doing this shift. Also, is this a good idea?

I know the only way to “replace” the Zoia would be with the Euroburo Zoia, so lets keep that out of the equation.

I would love:

  • a good/creative delay, same with reverb. (Erbe Verb/morphagene)
  • a granular delay
  • a looper.
  • a guitar/ext instrument interface(if this has stereo ins, for my OPZ, that would be cool).
  • a good/creative modulation unit, VCOs etc.
  • a mixer?
  • a aux send/return or fx loop(stereo) for my FATES

Anything else I should get?

I guess the drive/dirt can still be pedals, I mostly just use the BOSS to add saturation/drive to my signal, so that can stay outside of the modular, unless someone has a great “drive” module.

Any thoughts/insights/tips is highly appreciated. Thanks!

#68

TBH, all of this could be accomplished with a basic, small mixer. You can do it in Euro but it will be expensive. I own the Bastl Hendrikson and use it for this (not in stereo). Its flexible and works well.

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#69

Might be a good idea to look into the er 301. It’s going to cover a lot of what you listed (granular, granular delay, multiple looper options, mixing, panning, vco, vca, filters, etc. I’d also recommend Knob farm ferry as send/return. If you have a clean boost you could use xaoc tallin to add some dirt and bring it fully up to modular level, otherwise ears is great. Stages for modulation with er 301 is a good combo. I’d also recommend mimeophon with thos setup as well as a random source like ssf ultra random analog and a noise source.

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#70

This could be a cheaper option than replacing everything, though not the true modular experience for modulation but would give more flexible signal flow.

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#71

Hmmm so you want to create a modular system primarily for mixing and effects. I’ll say those are two areas of eurorack that tend to be particularly cost-ineffective compared to standalone hardware. A decent reverb or delay in eurorack will cost $200 minimum in most cases. And mixers are even worse.
Not saying it’s not a good idea creatively, but it certainly wouldn’t be cheap!

Also, strangely I’ve yet to find any eurorack module that actually does straightforward ditto-style looping. All the loopers in eurorack tend to do much more at the cost of losing their simplicity / ease of use.

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#72

I am using a mixer at the moment. But I kind of don’t want to. The fewer «separate» parts the better

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#73

Correct, but with the flexibility of module patching and modulation. Pedals usually exist very much in theie own separate worlds, but with a euro «fx unit» I feel like I could get something that works closer as a ecosystem of sound manipulation.

Oh, and a looper that can add complexity is just a bonus.

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#74

This is actually the area that I would be most interested in regarding getting into modular but rapidly arrived at this conclusion too, which is why I have a wealth of guitar pedals and assorted standalone units, alongside several iOS devices to fill in the blanks (granular isn’t covered well by any pedals I can think of, for example, but there are around half a dozen truly superb granular devices on iOS).

The one thing I’ve always been taken with - which I’ve yet to find an alternative to in pedal form - is something akin to Make Noise modules like Morphagene and the couple of others of that ilk.

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#75

Boredbrain are a great Richmond company local to me----they make sweet patch cables too.

#76

I just compared prices of some interessting modules, and the price point is not that bad compared to your “boutique” pedal makers or strymons etc, and I feel like the use patterns on modules are a lot less linear compared to pedals. If that makes sense.

#77

I mean a Mimeophon may be on par with a timeline but you also have to think about an in/out module, plus external modulation just to get the functionality of a standalone Timeline. But I’ll stop being a scold :slight_smile:

Something like the Qubit Mixology or Xaoc Praga could be a cool mixing centerpiece. Both have send/returns built in. You could look at that plus a few big effects (maybe Mimeophon, ErbeVerb, Clouds) and a big modulation module like a Batumi or Stages. That would be a cool start for sure.

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#78

I get it from an aesthetic standpoint, for sure. As far as separate parts, just remember that you will have to have a module for each instrument you wish to amplify coming into the effect rack (or one module with many inputs), hi-z inputs for the guitar (and outputs), a mixer type module or two for sending aux signals and mixing the returns. Its a lot of stuff.

I built a small mixer that I originally intended to use with guitar, pedals, an OP-1, or whatever I had around. It uses a Hendrikson, a Quattro Figaro, and an ABC Mixer - all Bastl. It has a nice wooden aesthetic that I like and I found/fitted a small wooden box to house them. It works well. The Quattro Figaro is well equipped with normalled inputs to do a lot of what you want.

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#79

yeah, don’t think I need a full sized mixer since most of the stuff I do in the mixer is splitting effects into different channels. kind of modular already…ish.

#80

If you are fine with really just a reroutable signal in / signal out type flow and aren’t actually trying to mix multiple voices, you could also consider just getting the full Make Noise Tape and Microsound system and adding on a Strymon AA.1 to get guitar in and out. Then you’d have a little bit of width left for one smaller effect module.

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#81

Someone mentioned the lack of any great simple loopers in euro. I agree with this. I’m on a quest (again) to find the most simple solution for looping guitar to euro stuff via clock. I’ve been through a few loopers that take midi: Ditto X4, Eventide H9, Zoia, but the midi implementations have been quirky at best, they usually tend to drift after a while.
Morphagene does lock to clock, and it seems to work decently, however it still is a little quirky in that if I do any sort of granular processing to it and try to return to the base loop it totally goes out of sync.

One idea I had was to get that Ditto X2 Jam pedal. It has that ‘beat sensing technology’ and takes a mic via 1/8" input and I was hoping I could just send it a clock and it would follow it. Anyone tried this?

Anyone have any other solutions?

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