Thank you guys for your thoughts. I do have a backround in synths jupiter 4 was my first and is missed painfully.
I would say keys reminds me of that vintage synths like JP4 and string synths while the modular reminds me of moog modular and pink floyd. How can i say no to any of those 2

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Experiment with granular synthesis use Mutable Instruments Clouds to process sound of Korg Volca Modular (to control some parameters of Clouds also, by 3.5mm cables, wire-tipped cables, and alligator clips)

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If you have experience with a JP4 a Volca is just a shadow of that.
Why are you looking at a volca and don’t get something bigger?
The volca’s are a bit toylike synths. You can have a lot of fun with them and I even use them in productions. But they remain quirky toys compared to a full blown synth.

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I found this with my Keys and sold it quite quickly after feeling like I’d discovered the limits of it within a short period of it.

Now I’m using the Sample with single cycle waveforms which, thanks to the Pajen firmware, offers 4 voice polyphony and offers up to 100 different wave shapes at a time.

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I have my reasons to stay portable and inexpensive with diy hacking fun. I dont collect synths.

This however doesnt sound toy like at all to me and given i have a fixed filter bank to feed // back i think i can get a lot out of it. Just really not sure if the rocky road or the silk road :slight_smile:

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They both have a very distinctive sound with lots of character. And there is nothing wrong with toys :smiley:

Next option after a volca modular would be this imho. (and a lot less toylike, way more expensive)

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Ah, if you have additional gear to pair it with it offers much. I have a Vermona Retroverb Lancet now and wonder if I would have dismissed it as quickly if I’d owned that when I had the Keys

Yup naked they are a bit weak i agree, someone knows if the modular reverb can be used with external sources? I think it sounds cool. I have enough delay wich would make keys less fascinating

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I really wish (this is a wish, feel free to keep going if this “debate” is very important to you) we could avoid the “toys instruments versus not toys instruments”. It’s probably the debate I dislike the most even worse than digital vs analogue (and I really dislike digital vs analogue).

They’re all toys, you’re never gonna cook food, build a house make an organ transplant with a synth, wether it’s a Moog One or a Monotron. Similarly, you’ll be able to reach great creative depth, subtelty, emotions, using either a Moog One or a Monotron, so maybe both of them aren’t toys in the end? Whatever.

The Volcas are cheap, some synths are less cheap, cheap gets you limitations, volcas are well concieved within those limitations so that if you came for what they offer, they can be of great use for as long as you need what they offer.

Some other synths have less limitations or more sturdy components and so they’re more expensive.

Toys are things we play with to enjoy our time and have fun. They’re by definition either all synths, and to some extent all instruments, or no instruments at all, depending on how you consider music.

The Volca Modular is wonderful. Extremely characteristic in the way it sounds, but there’s a lot you can achieve with the way it sounds too that it’s not easy to achieve even on much more expensive offerings.

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And limitations are so valuable for creativity

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The combo 0-coast/0-ctrl is way more expensive BUT extremely cheap if you compare it with the real Buchla Easel!

And about toys vs instruments. It depends on how we use them. Some people may “play” with them, some others might study them deeply and create proper compositions. Then they are instruments. That’s the distinction for me at least. Can you make a serious composition with a volca modular? Yes you can. But like always you gotta make the hours and dive deep.

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Sometimes I quite like the “toy” label just because it’s almost like a challenge; a gauntlet being thrown down. I enjoy using things which are regarded as basic (often even by myself) and finding the paths least taken within those. I do entirely get your angle though.

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I agree on your ideas about the word toy for instruments. But for me it still feels logical to use those words. I would happily use other words. To me the word toy or not describes exactly the difference in feel to me between the O-coast O-cntrl cobination VS the Volca Modular, which i think are very similar synthwise. And i own the volca modular because it is cheap and i don’t own the O-coast O-cntrl because it isn’t.

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See, whilst I do own the 0-Coast/0-Ctrl combination, I also really enjoy the “throw it in a bag and play it wherever I am” nature of the Volcas and iOS tools so may well get a Modular at some stage too. They’re different things with different up/down sides, I think. Both absolutely valid in their own right

You need to be aware of the context surrounding the words you use. About “toys” used for instrument, the context is very much toxic consumerist-based behaviors with a desire to justify the necessity for high end expensive gear to express musicality and range.

If we define that an instrument is a toy because his range of expressivity (for example) is limited, or because it’s prone to be broken very easily, then I guess we can all agree a 16th Century Clavichord is a toy. Litterally no velocity, hard to tune, breaks easily, limited note range etc. But then the piano, THAT, that’s a real instrument. I’m glad I don’t see anyone making that argument.

Now because a lot of people use that “toy” term to describe tools they consider limited (for their use cases that is, or more likely because they imagine them to be limited) to belittle them in some way, doesn’t mean we should do it too. I would happily hear the logic that you find in the term because I can’t find any. Personally the only thing I notice when someone use the word “Toy”, is a complete absence of clarity and informational value as to what are the limitations of the tool we’re discussing, “Toy” says nothing of the specifics of the instrument being discussed, since it’s a broad blurry and encompassing terms that comes from another realm and is being applied as nothing but a synonym for “not as good as”, which is also not an interesting concept.

So what if instead of toy we said stuff like “This is a device that could use velocity but it doesn’t have it” “This is a device that can only be used through its inner sequencer and doesn’t work well when sequenced from another Volca” or anything that’s an actual information on the limitations involved on one particular product. All the things I’ve just mentionned still don’t qualify the Volca Modular as a toy, or any Volca for that matter.

They’re also, as mentionned above : transportable, easy to sequence standalone, offer plenty of gesture automations that are very enjoyable, well constrained to a feature set that sparks creativity.

I’ve got things that aren’t toys in my studio that I’ve used less than my volcas on my most recent EP, and the Volca pushed me into more subtle and creatively interesting corners at times than a powerhouse like a Prophet Rev2. On another project, with other needs, with other directions, it’ll probably be the other way around.

The Percussionist’s Triangle in the romantic Orchestra is not considered a Toy just because it’s a bent piece of metal that appears twice in the whole Symphony.

Edit : this was my last post about it, I think I’ve talked about it enough and if using Toys to define cheaper more constrained gear means a lot to you do whatever, I don’t have the strength to say more than what I just did.

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I think it’s a very valid point and I appreciate you taking the time to express it in the detail you have done.

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I’ve considered getting a Volca Modular but am also intrigued by the 0-Coast/0-Control combo.

If anyone has both, I would be very interested in your thoughts on how they compare. I know one is less money and size, but what I’m looking for is some sense of whether it’s better to save the money for the MN combo because it can do much of what the VM does but more or better or something that makes the extra spend worthwhile. And of course this is all subjective so personal experience and opinion is precisely what is interesting.

Thanks!

From my studies you hear the korg from the VM (ms20) while coast (had it twice but somehow wasnt for me) is a lot rounder sounding while the ms20 sound to me is a bit aggressive.

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Thanks, that’s helpful.

I have a Volca Modular, a 0-Coast (but not yet a 0-Ctrl) and an MS-20. I wouldn’t say there is much to compare in the sound of the VM and MS-20, and as far as I know there is no MS-20 filter on the VM (Korg like to make a point of saying they use the filter in things, like they do with the Monotron / Volca Kick, for example), but it has dual LPGs instead.

I wouldn’t really compare the sound of the VM and the 0-Coast; the former is limited, and has a very particular sound (I might characterise it as brittle, and the 0-Coast could indeed be called rounder) - but I like it very much, especially run through all sorts of effects, and the sequencer is an essential part of the VM’s appeal for me. The 0-Coast has taken me much longer to adapt to, but it has become one of my always-used synths now, more or less integrated into the modular without the necessity for actually being racked. I definitely use the 0-Coast more than I do the VM, but that’s mostly because I only want that VM sound sometimes, whereas the 0-Coast is versatile enough to appear on pretty much everything at the moment.

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