You need to be aware of the context surrounding the words you use. About “toys” used for instrument, the context is very much toxic consumerist-based behaviors with a desire to justify the necessity for high end expensive gear to express musicality and range.

If we define that an instrument is a toy because his range of expressivity (for example) is limited, or because it’s prone to be broken very easily, then I guess we can all agree a 16th Century Clavichord is a toy. Litterally no velocity, hard to tune, breaks easily, limited note range etc. But then the piano, THAT, that’s a real instrument. I’m glad I don’t see anyone making that argument.

Now because a lot of people use that “toy” term to describe tools they consider limited (for their use cases that is, or more likely because they imagine them to be limited) to belittle them in some way, doesn’t mean we should do it too. I would happily hear the logic that you find in the term because I can’t find any. Personally the only thing I notice when someone use the word “Toy”, is a complete absence of clarity and informational value as to what are the limitations of the tool we’re discussing, “Toy” says nothing of the specifics of the instrument being discussed, since it’s a broad blurry and encompassing terms that comes from another realm and is being applied as nothing but a synonym for “not as good as”, which is also not an interesting concept.

So what if instead of toy we said stuff like “This is a device that could use velocity but it doesn’t have it” “This is a device that can only be used through its inner sequencer and doesn’t work well when sequenced from another Volca” or anything that’s an actual information on the limitations involved on one particular product. All the things I’ve just mentionned still don’t qualify the Volca Modular as a toy, or any Volca for that matter.

They’re also, as mentionned above : transportable, easy to sequence standalone, offer plenty of gesture automations that are very enjoyable, well constrained to a feature set that sparks creativity.

I’ve got things that aren’t toys in my studio that I’ve used less than my volcas on my most recent EP, and the Volca pushed me into more subtle and creatively interesting corners at times than a powerhouse like a Prophet Rev2. On another project, with other needs, with other directions, it’ll probably be the other way around.

The Percussionist’s Triangle in the romantic Orchestra is not considered a Toy just because it’s a bent piece of metal that appears twice in the whole Symphony.

Edit : this was my last post about it, I think I’ve talked about it enough and if using Toys to define cheaper more constrained gear means a lot to you do whatever, I don’t have the strength to say more than what I just did.

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I think it’s a very valid point and I appreciate you taking the time to express it in the detail you have done.

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I’ve considered getting a Volca Modular but am also intrigued by the 0-Coast/0-Control combo.

If anyone has both, I would be very interested in your thoughts on how they compare. I know one is less money and size, but what I’m looking for is some sense of whether it’s better to save the money for the MN combo because it can do much of what the VM does but more or better or something that makes the extra spend worthwhile. And of course this is all subjective so personal experience and opinion is precisely what is interesting.

Thanks!

From my studies you hear the korg from the VM (ms20) while coast (had it twice but somehow wasnt for me) is a lot rounder sounding while the ms20 sound to me is a bit aggressive.

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Thanks, that’s helpful.

I have a Volca Modular, a 0-Coast (but not yet a 0-Ctrl) and an MS-20. I wouldn’t say there is much to compare in the sound of the VM and MS-20, and as far as I know there is no MS-20 filter on the VM (Korg like to make a point of saying they use the filter in things, like they do with the Monotron / Volca Kick, for example), but it has dual LPGs instead.

I wouldn’t really compare the sound of the VM and the 0-Coast; the former is limited, and has a very particular sound (I might characterise it as brittle, and the 0-Coast could indeed be called rounder) - but I like it very much, especially run through all sorts of effects, and the sequencer is an essential part of the VM’s appeal for me. The 0-Coast has taken me much longer to adapt to, but it has become one of my always-used synths now, more or less integrated into the modular without the necessity for actually being racked. I definitely use the 0-Coast more than I do the VM, but that’s mostly because I only want that VM sound sometimes, whereas the 0-Coast is versatile enough to appear on pretty much everything at the moment.

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Thanks so much.

One thing that is making me lean towards the MN “easel” is the clear and immediate ability to interface directly with my eurorack rig, without fiddling with strange cables or voltage levels… And yet still pretty portable on its own…

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I agree with you completely. One thing I would like to mention is that I’m not a native English speaker. My vocabulary is limited in this language. I wouldn’t use the Dutch word “speelgoed” for “toy” in the same sense. I probably never in my life have used the English word toys to mean anything made for children.
I realize that my expression is limited by this but I still hope to be of value if I think I actually have something valuable to add to discussion.

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I think this is key for me too, and probably why the 0-Coast gets used a lot more than the VM - while there are a couple of 3.5mm CV inputs that can then be routed using the dupont patch cables, I’ve not really explored this option very much - so as a consequence the VM ends up mostly being used on its own through effects, rather than particularly integrating with anything else very often; which is a shame, I reckon.

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I’m not particularly interested in the “toy/not toy” stuff. I have literal toys that make fun sounds!

What I find incredible is that Korg, one of the major MI manufacturers, would have been cool enough to release a tiny “Buchla” which sounds so good and is so essentially weird for under $200!

For a relatively big corporation, that’s just amazingly hip. I still would love to have one on my desk at work or to throw in an overnight bag, even if it’s not immediately easy to integrate into my eurorack… someday I’ll get one, if we ever go back to the “office “!

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Mine lives right next to the keyboard that I use for work (from home, handily); it’s on a separate PSU, so I don’t even have to switch on the whole mixer / synth setup to just run its output into my speakers and have a noodle and repatching session as the mood strikes. It’s possibly also how it gets used the most, but it’s constantly rewarding as such.

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I don’t pick new stuff up that often, and with MS-20 being my main instrument for some time now even if I haven’t tried them I’ve been a fan of a lot of Korg’s more recent ideas than any other large manufacturer. The modular looks fun, for both potential goofing off just as much as potential serious use, but the dupont cables are a big turn off for me in either situation. its a tight interface already, and dupont cables make the whole thing even more fiddly to me. if the layout had been done different so you could tack-on a minijack or banana expander PCB like how it was done on the Werkstatt I’d be much more inclined to pick one up. or at the very least if the patchpoints had been along the top - maybe it would be confusing to new users but it would be out of the way making it more playable.

I suppose I could try doing a DIY PCB, though it would be a pain and to avoid blocking access or knobs and things it would have to be shaped pretty weird

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I’ve always quite liked the idea of linking one together with some of the other things that use Dupont cables - Werkstatts, Bastl gear (especially the Kastle and Bitranger). Is anyone here doing that?

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@ohm’s VM Instagram posts are phenomenal and really demonstrate the possibilities with timbres and integration with modular. Highly recommended.

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thanks for the recommendation yobink. Lots of Volca Modular on there lately for sure.

I picked up a volca modular a few months ago just to have something to do over a long weekend thinking that I’d figure it out then sell it after a couple of weeks. I still have it because I can get some good sounds out of it and the sequencer is super cool. It exceeded my expectations to say the least. I use one of Pam’s outputs to sync it to my modular and another stereo cable to route two more Pams outputs into the volca 3.5m CV input for 2 subtle LFOs. I love the sequencer because of the microtuning (which can be saved), and the other scale options. I can go from a empty pattern to an interesting melodic sequence that is in key in about 10 seconds; sequencing is fast once it is patched. I’ve been using it for horns, woodwind, flute and cello sounds.

here is a horn sound example:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CHoKFMoh1w3/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

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That lead horn sound comes from the VM??

yes, that is the little guy in action.

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It’s actually TERRIFIC at mimicking horn sounds, and I’ve used it on two track basically as a sort of weird synthetised horn-that-couldn’t-be, it’s one of my favorite features.

On the other end of its range, I found it has an incredible hability to make sounds that feel like strumming really fast the same note on an electric guitar with lots of reverb and distortion, I can’t think of another synths that let me had that distorted and atmospheric super lively sound so easily.

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This!

I think there is a lot of snobbery over the cost of an instrument rather than listening to the damn thing. The instruments I currently get the most out of are the pocket operators (fwiw). Who actually cares about classifying sound making devices? #itsthecollectorsnotthepeoplemakingmusic

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That’s absolutely incredible! I’m genuinely stunned by that.

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