wavestation was one of the 90s synth that I definitely wanted to own in the future. As others mentioned no user samples is a shame but still more waves than sine/triangle/saw/pulse Now I need to come up with some moniker under which I will publish new age music created using wavestate
Also the separate sequencer per few most important parameters is a really nice idea.
And I will too miss aliasing, as always what was considered a cons for people at the time becomes a important nostalgic factor for next generations.
Definitely
Analog synths, while certainly discernible, donāt scream their make. But I take your and @oscillateur point.
I just personally am not going to buy a sample player that only plays someone elseās (preset) samples.
Iām just a bit scared of the complexity here.
This is what I though. I watched the Loopop review/tutorial & thought it sounded nice, but looks very fiddly to program (although this is a general complaint of mine on these type of synths, I must be getting old )
This sound⦠is really not for me. But the way people are responding to it is really positive and awesome, so I imagine a lot of people are going to be happy. Makes me realize that my preferences (subtractive, analogue) are for things before my time, and that I probably am not into this because itās the synth sound from when I was a teenager. Our brains are ridiculous. Canāt wait to see some Lines folk use this in all the weird and interesting ways!
I find it very hard to get to the topic of how a synth sounds when it comes out. Most of what we hear in the various videos is highly biased by the aesthetic decisions made by the manufacturing company and the people who designed the presets. You need to scrape away layers and layers of this to get to the aspects that really make up the bulk sound aesthetic of an instrument.
While you can just wipe/overwrite/ignore all presets and hence remove the upper layers, the core sound of the instrument is hard to avoid.
My guess here is: once you get rid of all the presets, this might actually sound really interesting. But again⦠itās really hard to tell now.
Unfortunately the minilogue xd microtuning functions arenāt present. Thereās only a list of preset scales. I guess that since the Wavestate code was most likely adapted from the Kronos (which doesnāt have full microtuning IIRC) they decided that it wasnāt worth the development effort, or left it for after release.
on the other hand presets are something that defines wavestation for me. One of the appeal for me is that it was used in a lot of early CGI etc and is a part of a sound of my childhood. But having more controls to edit sounds is always welcome so I am happy that Korg in contrast to Roland hasnāt decide to keep original abysymal interface.
Canāt wait for this to be the new analog warmth of the 2020s, with marketers proclaiming a āfull naively coded signal path to maintain aliasing for that vintage digital edgeā
for me the absence of user loadable waves (not even mentioning the user recordable ones! that would be a dream) is a show stopper. i downloaded the manual in hopes to find any reference to being able to upload my sounds into it ā and thoroughly failed.
also, why it needs the āmultisampleā mode? to play their, hmmm, āromplesā?
i also owned the wavestation a/d. it sure was interesting and the ability to include live input in the wave sequence was truly amazing given the time it was created but i sold it on the grounds of not being able to escape that overproduced, too-commercial-ish sound that i remember it have.
Waaaaay over on the other side of the affordable/practical spectrum⦠full-sized Korg ARP 2600 reissue. $3200 MSRP, limited to 500 units. (edit: link below has it at $3900, guess weāll see when itās officially announced tomorrow)
Similar to what some people commented, Iām not really into the sound of the presets. But the engine sounds nice, and you donāt have to go all rhythmic with the wave sequences.
When I say I like the engine and the basic sound, I base it on what I heard in cuckoos sound design tutorial.
The video made me realize that anything that has -insert acoustic instrument name- sounds, but isnāt a -insert acoustic instrument name- is not really for me.
Cuckoo always does a great job at making me understand some basic things about the instruments he demos I must say!
Which has resulted in this glorious Marc Doty documentary:
Yep. ROMplers are not for me either.
I suppose all of you who wonāt play something without user loadable waves are consistent with your argument and donāt use any oscillators that are not sample-based like pulse, saw, sine, triangle, either, do you?
I have zero interest in using a synthesizer or sampler to try and recreate the sound of an acoustic instrument, but I love having a collection of acoustic samples on hand to use as the basis for creating new sounds. Thereās something satisfying about making a nice evolving pad sound with waveforms named something like āHonky Tonkā and āJazz Saxā.
I have a deep affinity with ācheesyā digital sounds and after watching FM offerings and AWM offerings from Yamaha for the last year or so, this is right up my alley.
I donāt have any experience with the wavestation, so I have no real knowledge of what itās supposed to be able to do, but I do love the sounds I hear from it in these demos. This will probably be my next (and only) synth purchase this year.
Why does āconsistency of argumentā matter? Iām relatively certain that people who are expressing this arenāt looking for a way to provide basic waveforms. Theyāre looking for a flexible way to make their own sample based instruments. Not āsine waveā but ātrumpetā or āgamelan genderā.
That being said, I recognize that itās an easier-said-than-done task. Making great sample-based instruments requires multi-sampling, key-mapping, etc and itās a lot of work just to make a single patch. I sort of doubt tons of folks are doing that sort of thing (and those that do are likely using Kontakt to do it).
But I can see where having a keyboard, and interesting polymetric sequencing, could make this an interesting MPC alternative, if it had the ability to record audio input. I just donāt think that type of application is what this instrument is going for.
But maybe in v2.0.
It matters because thereās zero difference between a non-changeable source wave and a fixed-waveform oscillator. So for those expressing such an intense avoidance of synthesizers with non-changeable source waves, itās ridiculous to throw out the entire concept if youāre perfectly happy with, e.g. saws and pulses. Thereās zero difference - a source waveform is a source waveform. Itās one thing to say āIād like to be able to load my ownā and entirely another to say āitās completely unacceptableā when itās literally the same thing as something else you might use and find totally worthwhile. So it has more waves than squares, saws, and sines. Yay! Why would adding extras be at all a turnoff for anyone unless that person used exclusively their own samples for oscillator raw material? Itās an inconsistent argument and therefore invalid, because clearly other fixed waveforms are not a problem for said person - tis only a mask to hide behind.
trumpet. gamelan.
not sin, saw, or square.
Was I unclear?