Oh man, don’t I know it!

Music theory really helps… although a nonverbal form of it is so deeply ingrained in our cultural experience, which is why…

…is such great advice.

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[quote=“themaybemachine, post:20, topic:1977”]
even in electronic music were raw talent is less important
[/quote]i instinctively bristle at this but i dont want to make assumptions

what exactly do you mean?

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Electronic Music is such a diverse field. There are no specifc barriers. No need for excellent dexterity or a high rythmic feel. I think most people who studied music with people who play instruments will understand what I mean. There are these people who just play a lot better with less effort and time. Same can be said about tradition composition. To understand music theory you only need the technical knowledge and most people can do this with enough hard work. But to make great compositions, some people are just better.

With Electronic music (but also DIY, experimental,noise,…) you can make the rules, you chose on what the emphasis lies. Classic music theory and the need to physically being able to play anything can be totally circumvented. In a sense this is truly one of the most democratic forms of music.

You could say you can apply the same way of thinking to all instruments, and I wouldn’t stop you :smile: but then we are leaving the conventional behind us again.

To summarise, I feel that the emphasis in electronic music is more on vision and a lot of hard work to bring it then on the need to physically being able to bring the music or having the feel for complex musical structures(in the classical sense). For me this is more about endurance then raw talent.

But there are no absolutes, the more we try to discus this the more useless it becomes. I can’t dictate the parameters of what makes a good composition. The whole is always more then the sum of it parts.

I think to further look into this point, you have to think about composers. That back in the day, you could not hear everything instantly. If you were to be somewhere without your whole orchestra, you would have to to be able to orchestrate something in your head. Everyone can hear a tune in their head, but they cannot identify the notes. They couldn’t put in down on a staff for another musician to play. You also had no way of knowing what say an oboe would sound like in your song if you have never even heard one. There was not such an easy way of composing music in a “Happy Accidents” or exploratory sort of way. As a musician playing while you compose, you can have those happy accidents. As a composer alone… I guess you could have notated something wrongly and when you heard it it could have inspired you.

Now we can try out 40 different kinds of oboe samples and melodies in 15 minutes… All with no prior knowledge of musical notation, theory, or technique. So I think it is easier for people to use a workflow based around exploration.

Also sometimes the squeak or screech makes the song.

I also completely agree with this as a sort of workflow concept. It is how I work now when I(rarely) make music. My problem is that what I hear in my head is amazing to me, but I cannot replicate it. I can replicate the notes and rythms, but I cannot get the tone to fit. I don’t yet have the skills to create the patches and sounds I hear. I am classically trained, I do sound and produce. I can work with bands and musicians no problem. But I can’t create the music I hear in my head. So even with the background, I still don’t have the “tools” to make my head tunes a reality.Most of what I make is found sounds and happy accidents, because it is more rewarding than trying to capture what I hear.

More along what Rodrigo said though… I tend to find myself starting tracks behind creative concepts than any kind of melody. I will pose a question to the extent of “I wonder what it would sound like if I did this…”. Then wrangle that into something usable (sound kinds like modular synths right?). Whether it’s a sonic concept like something an effects chain or synth patch, or a music theory concept. I could start a song on an idea like “what if I made a track where notes only move in fourths”. Or “what if I took the gated reverb or a snare drum and time stretched it super slow and phased it”. I also like to try to approach every song a new way and not have a certain process. There’s merit to all styles of creating music.

Not sure any of this makes sense. In the end if you want to learn to read music and play guitar. Go ahead, it can’t hurt. If you don’t, don’t. Who really cares or knows what process you took to make your music.

tldr; Don’t worry about it.

This ability to explore sans theory makes me wonder if we will end up stumbling on new forms as a musical community. The complex breakbeats of DnB might qualify. They do have some jazz precedents but I wonder how many DnB producers ever give that much thought. And yet they end up following some fairly recognizable formal patterns.

One reason I do return to known forms at times in my music is the simplicity of using them to communicate with an audience. When you are working with something entirely novel you may require more time to entrain your audience with the emotional landscape you are trying to convey… Or perhaps not, some audiences catch on quick…

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Speaking of new forms, some music I need to check out:

12 of these albums are available on spotify:

Ayyyye I fucking love u aphex

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