with just ONE mic? or you mean a stereo pair of bidirectional mics (Blumlein)?

Yes a stereo pair, sorry for being vague, I have the zoom XYH-6 X/Y Capsule which I think works like the blumlein pair ?

From the Zoom site:
The XYH-6 capsule employs two angled high-quality unidirectional mics which are sensitive to signals coming from the front but less to signals coming from the sides and rear. X/Y recording is optimum when you want to cover a wide area yet still capture a strong center image, making it the perfect choice for all types of live stereo recording.

So the two mics are each uni-directional. The Blumlein technique uses two bi-directional mics (figure 8). I don’t think Zoom makes such a mic capsule. They do have an M/S capsule which has one directional mic for M and a figure 8 for S recording.

Ok thanks,
that’s good to know. So I’m wondering if it’s possible to process a tape recording perhaps with software to keep it’s lo-fi sound but add the effect of an XYH-6 X/Y Capsule or stereo pair and so on.

I will record some XYH-6 X/Y Capsule field recordings to tape and then listen them with headphones to compare them to the original version.

If you want to play with the stereo image you can put a stereo recording through an M/S plugin like Goodhertz’ free M/S plugin Midside Matrix…

Your tape recording would give you the Lo Fi quality you want, and you can explore the imaging qualities of various mic techniques with the plugin.

I love playing with M/S manipulations with M/S, X/Y, or dual mono inputs. Lots of fun. Not exactly Lo Fi. That quality comes from other techniques.

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Thanks for that will take a look :slight_smile:

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The way you describe how you think about these differences makes it sound as though you feel that releasing music is inferior. That is misguided in my opinion.

frozen and exploited in various ways

Don’t forget the impact and enjoyment music can have on others. If this isn’t your goal then cool, it’s good to know the reasons that we want create, because in the end we all need to do what makes us happy. But everyones reasons will be different so there should be no value judgement on the matter.

if I freely improvise and don’t dilute my focus away from the moment by trying to capture it, I can remain in the eternity of the always now…

It sounds to me like you use music as a way to enter a flow state. That’s a great aspect of making any art. There are aspects to releasing music that are hard work and aren’t part of this initial creative burst of energy. These can be rewarding as well though, and for me one of the more rewarding parts of the process is hearing how your hard work and art effects people once you put it out into the world. So I offer this to you as a counterpoint.

PS: I realize that you were stating your opinions about how you feel about the creation of music to see if others feel the same. Some of your statements felt non-subjective to me and it’s those sentiments that I am addressing, not you having your own feelings about it, which are of course valid.

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@Deru

Sorry if that came off as judgmental or anti-recording in any way, it’s not meant that way at all… And not meant to be anything but purely subjective…

I love making and listening to recordings, and have greatly enjoyed many of the recordings by Lines members, as well as my own, which I am happy to say I can actually still listen to, apparently unlike some recording artists who report that they can’t stand to listen to their own records… I wouldn’t find that very pleasing for myself, but I do get it conceptually…

My current pondering is more in the direction of how might I best spend, and enjoy, my own naturally diminishing amount of time remaining to chase this musical muse… At 60 I’m not yet “old,” but the river is flowing in one direction, and it’s not lost on me that the adventure won’t last forever…

Flow state is indeed much of what I crave, and having spent probably years of cumulative time in editing states, I’m finding those aspects to be less nurturing of the parts of my being that feel most in need of nurture at the moment…

Thanks for your thoughts, I appreciate the exchange!

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Cool. All good!

I just wanted to make the point that while enjoyment in the process is paramount it is sometimes the things that are hard and that we struggle with that are the most rewarding in the end. There’s therefore value in including that struggle as part of the process imho.

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That’s absolutely correct!

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I find much that resonates on both sides of the debate. But for me it’s about more than ‘enjoyment vs.’ hard work’.

First, making music is a necessity and I’m not sure ‘enjoyment’ captures that. Even the flow state isn’t simply characterized by enjoyment, and is far less an empty ‘psychological’ abstraction – for me it has always a specific content and thus presents itself as a moment of truth, which is the ground of the necessity. The compulsion to be in the truth. Making music opens the way. Even in this truth I’m not sure I experience enjoyment exactly, at its best it’s a feeling of coming home, a temporary relief from an everyday dysphoric consciousness in which I’m cut off from this ‘home’ – but there are definitely things to confront there, even horror in some parts.

Second – the process of releasing music is hence one of exposing this truth to others. This suggests difficulties beyond that of simply putting in the time, working hard, developing and exercising business skills. It’s facing the raw pain of exposure. Especially when one knows what has been said. So this is a pain that cannot be quantified in terms of time spent or other indicators of ‘hard work’.

And there is pain on either side of the dilemma – do I present this just as it is, as many artists (but not myself) are privileged to do, or do I conceal its origin (as was the path of someone else I know from ‘the community’). There is pain thus either in a direct or oblique expression. And then there is the question of reward. Reward is perhaps getting to tell my own story instead of letting all the tabloids do it for me – which in turn may help others tell their own stories. But I am not deluded as to the significance of my powers. Quite likely, one person’s voice is simply lost and otherwise well-meaning listeners will simply project the tabloid frameworks back onto my work, which not only hurts me, it can also hurt others. The second approach, to work covertly, also seems to have few rewards. In the example I indicated, the concealed origin means that the work is simply absorbed into other things. So this music is ‘enjoyed’, but it’s unclear how much this oblique approach helps others live openly in their own truth, especially when there isn’t even an esoteric path with symbols which communicate internally. Such ‘passing’ (for that’s what this is) can then resemble not releasing anything in the first place.

So right now – absent ‘strength in numbers’ that would help mitigate the pain of exposure, and also absent willingness to ‘pass’, I settle for making the music but not sharing it. And I don’t think learning business skills or putting in more work resolves any of the problems.

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ah the treacherous dual axes of audio and moral fidelity :slight_smile:

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Cross-post, I’ve found that importing mp3’s as raw data into Audacity, and then exporting again, generates some artifacts which might be appealing to some.

Clean:

Glitched:

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Great Idea!
Unfortunately I could not reproduce your results, I just got different flavors of pure noise. Which import settings did you choose after selecting raw data? How was your mp3 encoded?

I am planning to write a better guide, but for now:

  1. mp3 has just been encoded with LAME encoder.
  2. import as raw data -> ULAW
  3. export as raw data -> ULAW
  4. change the filename extension of the exported “.raw” to “.mp3”

edit: I’m yet to see if doing things between step 2 and 3 will doing anything usable, but will find out soon.

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Yes that works:
Before

After

Playing with import sample rate results in different glitches

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I really like the sound that people like Amulets or Jogging House, Hainbach, R Beny a lot of ambient instagram artists get from cassettes/microcassettes/reel to reels/dictaphones and would like to figure out how to accomplish that soft sort of almost filtered quality they get. I assume its something to do with compression and saturation, but i find it hard to achieve with my little handheld voice recorder due to the incoming signal being too harsh and my portastudio seems to barely add anything. I’m sure it’s subtle, but does anyone have any tips or ideas on how you would get a nice soft texture similar to this example i found here, starting at 6:21 (even if it isn’t accomplished with tape):

i also like the contact mic sound here with the stones. the description says its being fed through a morphagene, and i can see how maybe some of the peripheral noise from the contact mic maybe got blended in. im not sure exactly how splice morphing works, since i don’t have a morphagene, but i still imagine there is something more to getting that really nice muffled tape-like sound. do i need a reel to reel to achieve this? or a morphagene? i work a lot with field recordings, so my sound sources would be similar to both of these examples:

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I’m guessing but the sound at 6.21 sounds like gargling water with a contact mic held to the throat that was recorderd to tape and the buzzy sound comes from a distortion when the input levels get high.

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yeah i think its a field recording but im wondering what the processing is there. you think that low pass filtered type smoothed out sound is just from tape?

This is my recording with just contact mic and tape. Does the first 20 seconds or so capture the LPF sound you mean ? Like a distant space ?

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