#41

What an overwhelming amount of positive feedback!!
Thanks for participating in the discussion in the first place :blush:

Looking forward to share some of my modest work soon, but for now Iā€™ll just read and add links to the top comment. To be honest i realized how little i actually knew about the subject in the first place, so Iā€™m taking a few days to read up on some of the stuff here before i can add anything substantial to the subject. But as of now it seems to be working with just being sort of a curator hehe

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#42

Iā€™m currently reading through this thread while listening to Master of Puppets.

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#43

I have heard tell of a version of ā€œMaster of Puppetsā€ using only a SM57, a ventriloquistā€™s doll, and Ableton Liveā€™s stock beat-repeat plug-in.

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#44

Sounds like the cardinal sinn of atmospheric trash metal

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The spirit, meaning making, and aesthetic applications of the self to sound
#45

Also, erstwhile used to be a good label for some lowercase action. Havenā€™t checked in on them in the last many years though.

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#46

Got some Tim Albro on it, Iā€™ll ad it to the list!
Thanks :slight_smile:

#47

Jon Abbey of Erstwhile, along with Matthew Revert and Vanessa Rossetto recently curated a ton of new music under the name AMPLIFY: 2020 ever since quarantine started.

https://amplify2020.bandcamp.com/music

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#48

This is really great, thanks for posting it up!

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#49

I remember listening to an album that pretty much just sounded like a needle moving over a blank record. Really textural, not much to it, but I would really like to listen to it again. Probably Japanese. Anyone know what Iā€™m talking about?

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#50

Get Mini vMac or BasiliskII emulators, you can make a virtual 68k mac with more ram and disk space than was remotely feasible at the time, and can even cheat by artificially speeding them up to skip long render times :smiley:

Iā€™ve even managed to get Mini vMac working on an ipad, tho I barely understand how.

(iā€™m definitely in favour of getting an actual old mac too, but the real classic ones almost certainly will need daunting repair of dried up capacitors and exploded PRAM batteries, not to mention the problem of figuring out a workflow for getting files on and off them to modern computersā€¦)

from about 3.15 in my recent stream you can hear an anachronistic noise collage I recently made using SoundEdit on an emulated Mac Plus. Edited from sound FX files found on shareware compilations, some of my childhood audio files, and some newly synthesised on other rudimentary mac audio abandonwares. 11000khz audio + digital hard clipping aplenty :slight_smile: Not sure this would have even been possible on a real Mac Plus, or at least would have required some waiting overnight for the timestretched parts to render

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#51

if it was on LP and Japanese then very good chance it was Sukoraā€™s Oeo. Not a lot of this kind of stuff got pressed on vinyl for pretty obvious reasons.

I was just listening to a Joe Colley interview this afternoon from Noisextra and he mentions seeing Sukora play live in Japan playing the runout groove on a record player and just wiggling a cable around on the connection. I had no idea Sukora had ever done live stuff so thats kinda neat to know now.

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#52

Maybe not exactly lowercase, but Institut Fuer Feinmotorik did exactly that on their ā€œPenetransā€ album:

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#53

Thats a great idea, ill try to get it working on the Ipad!

very interesting piece, i like the visual elements at the start. Shareware is an underated thing, ive found the most bisarre and broken video editing stuff from the depths of shareware hellā€¦

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#54

very interesting, would love to find some more dokumentation of that performance

#55

Thanks :slight_smile:

Yeah there are some very interesting and weird obsolete sharewares out there.

This is a good forum for later OS9 era music software/abandonware: http://macos9lives.com/smforum/index.php

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#56

Ah, if you can share a ā€œhow toā€ if you get it working, would be great.

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#57

ill do!
but the tick is to get it working first haha

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#58

Pleased to see this thread! Very relevant to my interests in listening and sound-making, along with the general Erstwhile / EAI etc. area. For those curious I would absolutely recommend combing through the Amplify2020 collection: all the pieces are new and free to listen / download, and it encompasses so many amazing artists, veterans and up-and-comers alike. (thereā€™s also me, for whatever thatā€™s worthā€¦ https://amplify2020.bandcamp.com/album/music-from-box-file )

For myself, I think texture is mainly what I listen for in music / sound, and what Iā€™m interested in making: I donā€™t have the inclination (or ability!) to make beat-based or melody-based material. It can be very interesting trying to persuade gear thatā€™s designed and sold as e.g. a drum machine to behave in more abstract ways. One reason that I enjoy lines is that there seems to be more discussion and interest in more abstract / textural approaches to sound, compared to plenty of forums where more or less everyone is making house or techno.

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#59

Thatā€™s the one. Thanks.

Tangentially, the idea of listening to the format more than whatever was printed on the format is an interesting idea. Maybe. Or maybe just whateverā€™s present around the sound you ā€˜wantā€™ or expect. I was using a BrĆ¼el & KjƦr Random Sinewave Generator the other day in a studio setting, and of course it just has to produce a sinewave, but I found myself equally (if not more) interested in the noise and texture around the sine that the machine produced. The sine was a bit impure and with some mixing desk EQing I could get a nice texture framing the tone. 've often thought about similar scenarios where Iā€™d want to notch out the actual tone of a recording and just listen to what goes on around the tone. Plenty of interesting things to discover.

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#60

This label mappa editions has some releases that might fall into the topic

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