still trying to gel with my mimeophon, the examples control offered were promising yet i can’t seem to get mine to react in the same way. anyone have some examples of interesting ways to use theirs?

What are you trying to do or what are you struggling with achieving?

I honestly think this is the bigger problem here. All of these devices inherently have some noise and as soon as you think you want to hear it, you will.

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Generally speaking, Noise is not something subjective and it can be measured, regardless the fact someone can hear it or not.

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Yes totally but your perception of it and the decision of whether or not it bothers you is highly psychological, definitely swayed by the opinions of others. I mean there’s definitely a possibility that there was a few bum Mimeophon’s that made it out there but given Make Noise’s good track record on QA there’s also the possibility that people talking up the noise has snowballed into people looking for the noise, and saying, oh yeah it’s there. If you turn up any device enough, there will be noise. Also, this could be a gain staging issue too. Or… maybe to some people like myself, a little noise is something that I just don’t care about because I’m used to playing out of noisey tube guitar amps my whole life.

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As 909 is saying, listening is extremely subjective whether or not you can make the Mimeophon…

make noise.

Bumps into wall. Oh, I’m sorry, where is the door?

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I have been using one for months, and have not run into noise. That said, I have not done any kind of noise floor analysis; my main use case just involves my ears.

There’s some noise that comes through when Halo and Colour are maxed, a bit like Erbe Verb and Echophon, a bit like old delay and verb gear, which I love and can be used creatively.

Is this what people are talking about? I haven’t had any other noise coming from it. I use an Intellijel case and use Meng Qi Please Exist 2 as output, but have also tried it with uZeus power.

The noise characteristics I observed:

  • Noise buildup with high Color settings and repeats, like you mentioned.

  • A narrow spike of noise at 12khz. Not really noticeable with reasonable gain staging, and anyway it’s very easy to filter out with a bandpass filter or noise reduction plugin in a DAW. (I measure -62dB through my ES-6 with no gain added or removed anywhere.)

  • Broadband noise that is “gated” by a signal present in the system; it goes silent when the signal falls below some (unknown) threshold. But it’s inaudible with reasonable gain staging. If I really crank things, it sounds pleasantly like retro DAC noise to me :grin:

What I have not observed but a few people have claimed, which makes me think there might be a few faulty units out there:

  • Noise that is louder with the mix knob fully CCW.
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I understand what 909 was saying, at not point I said he had it wrong, however my comment still stands, noise is not subjective.Perceptions are.I felt it was important to make a distinction.
And regarding the Mimephon, I don’t personally have any problem with it, it sounds just fine, but if someone is believing their unit is not behaving correctly, well there are way to measure it and asses if it is a perception or a faulty unit.

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Pardon my intrusion. I just got my Mimeophon, plugged it in and I wasn’t hearing any delays…
I wrote into Make Noise technical support with this…but won’t hear back til at least Monday. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Here is what I wrote them:

  • Initially, the mimeophon did not appear to be recording into its buffers. Audio being sent into the module would be coming out of the outputs fine, but there would be no repeats, regardless of which zone the module was in. Turning the Mix know fully clockwise would result in silence.

  • As a fix, I tried to re-flash the firmware. However, the module now seems to be stuck in “boot mode” - white/pink in the Zone window, all buttons lit up. This was done sending a patch cable from a laptop to the module, first with the laptop’s volume at 100% and then at 60%, as per the instructions.

I’m powering it with a TipTop uZues if that is helpful.

Anybody else experienced anything like this?

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A question to those of you who had the chance to play around with both the Erbe-Verb and Mimeophon: how much overlap is there in terms of the sounds and textures both can produce? What is different in the way you use them? If you had to pick one for a relatively small setup, which one would it be?

I adore the sound of the Erbe-Verb — it’s a module I’ve owned previously that but I really wish I still had — but I am also intrigued be the Mimeophon. I might get either some time soon, so I’d be happy to hear your opinions on both.

I don’t think there is a whole lot of overlap at all. Mimeophon can do all kinds of delay/looping/granular/etc along with halo which is reverb like, but can’t really be used standalone (can’t really use mimeophon as a straight up reverb). If you’ve had erbe then you know what it’s about, mimeophon is like the erbe verb version of a delay in a way.

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Though I can’t speak to getting stuck in boot mode, I have experience some mimeophon weirdness depending on where my input signal is coming from. By weirdness I mean odd noise pops, occasionally no audio passthrough, audio only coming through the left channel or only coming through right channel, audio passing through with no effects but additional noise.

I spoke with Make Noise about it; and they seemed fairly certain that it was to do with signal impedance.

I found that running my audio though a buffered mult rather than directly out of some modules (a takaab nearness in particular) fixed my problems.

Current Mimeophon and former Erbe-Verb owner here. There isn’t much overlap either sonically or how I would use either module.

My general thought is that the Mimeophon is lusher and has higher fidelity, though it can get weird w/ heavy modulation and extreme settings. I felt the Erbe-Verb was more suited to textural effects, weird physical modeling, and shifting unreal spaces than as a space generator that can help “glue” a patch together. If I had more space in the rack I would have kept the Erbe-Verb as there isn’t anything quite like it, but I find the Mimeophon to be more musically useful.

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I pretty much agree with this. Erbe-Verb was cool but I didn’t wind up keeping it. Mimeophon is pretty fantastic and I don’t foresee ever letting go of it.

They both can do weird. Erbe-Verb can sort of do delay (via the predelay) and Mimeophon can do a one-trick-pony reverb (via Halo) but there’s not really much overlap between them.

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Own both currently (have bought and sold Erbe I think 3 times at this point :sweat_smile:). Have never found the Mimeo “reverb” to be especially useful for the kind of stuff I’m making, though if I didn’t have a separate reverb and only had Mimeo, it’s definitely a nice thing to have. Definitely not a lot of overlap though, put simply one is really a delay, and the other is really a reverb. At the moment, and after years of trying lots of things both euro, external hardware, plugins etc.- Mimeo is my go-to delay, and Erbe is my go-to reverb, for everything, including outside euro. Both modules are extremely fun and immediate and can reliably sound spectacular with a little experience.

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Could you express some of that experience concretely as advice?

I’ve moved Mimeophon to my new non-live rack to get to know it better, and where I think it makes more sense. I haven’t fallen in love with it yet, but I like it well enough. I find controlling rate unintuitive. Halo is a nice to have. I’ve made patches I enjoy with it, but still not sure about it. I love that Erbe’s stuff is modeless, and that helps keep me on board.

I’ve not owned an Erbe-Verb, but have experimented with one for an evening. I’m always tempted to get one to spend more time with, but it seems difficult to learn how to keep it out of “luxury metal chimney” terrritory. It’s also, big, and mono in. So in 2020 it’s a riskier proposition now that we’re getting flooded with reverbs.

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(perhaps I’m about to write too much about erbe-verb in the mimeophon thread, but…)

Pretty much anytime I post something prominently featuring Erbe, I get comments from people very surprised at how lush it can sound. I personally find its reputation as a purely experimental metallic reverb to be somewhat overstated. But it wasn’t instant for me that I found the sweet spots I like. I wouldn’t even say I like the majority of spots. But on the spots I do like, no reverb I’ve used has better given a sense of the sound being immersed in the space as opposed to reverb being slapped on top.

There’s a lot of controls, which all have a major impact on the sound with even tiny tiny adjustments, so it just takes time and experience before your brain learns how all the controls behave, interact with each other, and what combination of parameters gives you the sound you’re looking for in that moment, especially with how much they DO affect each other. eventually, just like anything else, manipulating all the controls to get what you want becomes instinctive, quick, and easy. for some people it certainly may never give them what they’re looking for, we all make different music and like different things from our tools, but I love it.

I will say, for me there isn’t necessarily some particular amazing sexy thing about it. At the end of the day, a delay is a pretty simple thing, and in my experience the sonic difference between modern digital delays (when not trying to emulate tape) is not all that significant. I think the reason I enjoy it is the sum of its parts- the combination of features, big versatility with the color, modelessness, and just the tactile experience of using it. and of course it being in euro is a fun bonus for cv shenanigans, though truthfully for my use cases, I find myself rarely doing much else beyond urate modulation :grimacing:

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Thanks for taking a moment to organize your thoughts. I know the post you’re referring to, and it had a non-zero effect on me looking at Erbe-Verbs again.