#532

Same. Sometimes I keep an LED jacklight plugged into the output to remind myself which is which. Other times I think about getting the Grayscale panel (though I otherwise like Make Noise aesthetics and don’t usually find them confusing)… or maybe Befaco Bananuts, or at least some kind of sticker :slight_smile:

…wound up ordering some Bananuts after all.

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#533

The hieroglyphics are a nice aesthetic but it’s bizarre that everything else on the module has hieroglyphics and text and those two just don’t have any text haha.

#534

It’s pretty consistent across all make noise stuff.

#535

It’s only semi-consistent for clock in / clock out.

For the input, all their previous gear says “Tempo” and has.circles. Mimeophon has concentric circles, no text, and a line with no arrowheads. 0-Ctrl says “Clk” and has concentric circles.

All their other gear (including 0-Ctrl) has obvious outward-facing arrows for clock outputs. Mimeophon has pulses and a non-obvious arrow that just looks like it means “square waves continue.”

(And frankly, I confused it on the 0-Coast a couple of times too.)

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#536

Funny you mention this - i was thinking of trying this very thing tonight. So i did. They both work, but I get a dc-like click when Flip turns on and off sadly. But Hold works great - no clicks, and really becomes this weird awkward (but in a cool way) unique delay.
By the way - i was playing guitar through it (i know - boring), but it is sooo much fun. Especially when in zone 7 (or whatever the last one is), with repeats maxed, then modulating the U input with Maths and just trying different rates. Crazy pitched oscillating madness. I’ll post some snippets tomorrow.

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#537

Yeah that sounds awesome!

#538

As mentioned yesterday, a couple examples of guitar through Mimeophon. 1st is a short snippet of self patching the clock to the Hold.

Then a longer piece exploring Zone 1 (i mentioned zone 7 above - meant 1), playing with all the micro-pitch craziness. The tones coming out of this thing are amazing - at one point it sounds like a didgeridoo, then later horns.

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#539

I was super inspired by this “feedback patching” idea!

Had my own go at it on the Shared System with some extra texture from a Plumbutter 2:

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#540

these are great and right up my alley for what I’m looking in Euro+guitar…makes me think I should consider finding space for a Mimeo in my ongoing rack!

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#541

answer from make noise to the mentioned noise problem on mimeophons output:

" The behavior that you have described is normal.
Some of the electronic components that give the Mimeophon its unique functionality

and audio processing power can also add a more “digital” character noise to the module’s noise floor.
The noise floor can be heard in the module’s output signal when processing highly dynamic

or quieter source material and it will also be amplified further down the line, if you amplify the output of the Mimeophon.

Optimizing your patch’s gain staging can reduce the amplitude of this noise

and you might try different gain settings on the module’s input as shown in the module manual, pg.19:
http://makenoisemusic.com/content/manuals/mimeophon-manual.pdf
Or in the following video: https://youtu.be/zBngOYMchq8

The Mimeophon’s Color parameter will accentuate the noise as you have described at its upper levels,

and can be adjusted counter-clockwise to de-accentuate this sound.

If after taking these steps you find that this module is not performing as you would like,

then please contact the dealer from which this module was purchased and see if they can accept a return for a full refund.

We will be happy to work with them to facilitate this return, on your behalf.

Please let us know if you have any other questions or trouble, we’ll be happy to assist!"

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#542

Super clear and detailed answer. Thanks for sharing!

Personally (and I’ll own up to being weird on this front), I find that particular flavor of noise floor to be desirable. It adds a certain level of character and immersion to the mix, and I’ve sometimes found myself trying to tweak things to emphasize it even more and make it a clearly audible aspect of the recording. So I appreciated the notes on how to draw it out and accentuate it, if one so chooses :slight_smile:

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#543

I don’t think ‘it’s supposed to sound noisy’ is what I’d call a good response.

I’m becoming convinced that the solution for me may be to swear off euro effects entirely moving forward.

#544

I have this module. It has some noise. The noise isn’t unpleasant or very loud. It’s definitely noticeable. Sometimes it has a comb-filter-like character as I often run in Zone 0. In that zone, at high repeat and colour values, the Mimeophon oscillates, but that sound can be tamed and made musical. I think it has some dynamic control internally which could be where some of the noise is coming from.

I don’t think it was ever meant to be a super clean delay. Though it can pretend to be one, I don’t think that’s its personality. As @naxuu wrote, it adds to the mix, and in my view, without creating problems.

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#545

Right. In the same way that some modules (VCAs, etc.) are known for sounding “clean” and others are known for sounding “characterful”, this would squarely fall on the characterful side of the spectrum for delay-ish things. It’s perfectly fine to not want a characterful delay, or want one but not like this specific kind of character. But I’m not sure it makes a ton of sense to criticize the developer for doing something objectively wrong here (there is no objective wrong and there are no rules, for that matter)

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#546

This, I think, is key.
I could be mistaken, but I don’t think that this quality or character was listed as a feature upfront, hence the familiar complaint. I’m not suggesting anyone is wrong for liking the sound of it, nor do I believe that the noise is anything other than a flaw.

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#547

Agreed. I have and love Mimeophon but every now and then the noise does bum me out and I wish it wasn’t there.

Not a deal breaker for me and I totally accept the explanation for why it’s there, but I certainly see it as a flaw.

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#548

There’s a lot of space between “feature” and “flaw” to fit all kinds of opinions. I don’t think the noise is a feature. I definitely do not think it’s a flaw. For comparison, I think KA-350 PSU noise on a Volca Sample is a flaw.

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#549

I’m another who loves the noise in Mimeophon, it’s so musical and with high feedback can be quite rhythmic too. It’s made to be able to get sounds like from old effects units, which are actually much noisier. For those who have never tried analog delays or tape echos I could see how this may be annoying, but it can really be used in interesting, creative ways. Repeats, Halo and Color interact in really interesting ways with complex internal feedback routing that can get noisy, but it never gets harsh, which is actually pretty amazing for a delay. Maybe not for everyone, but I really don’t think it’s a flaw, and it’s one of the features that I love about it! One of my favourite things to do is to crank Repeat, Halo and Color, let the feedback build up and then turn both Halo and Color down to 12 o’clock. Makes for quite a dramatic shift.

Here’s a track that I recorded recently that features Mimeophon noise quite prominently and deliberately:

Only sound sources are two Mangroves and a Verbos Harmonic Oscillator, using Morphagene for granular, pitch-shifting delay and Mimeophon as an end of chain, polyrhythmic delay.

Mimeophon does some really interesting things depending on what you’re running through it. Try sending simple gated melodies or sparse percussion through it in different zones and play with Repeats, Halo and Color, then do the same with longer, fuller sounds and multiple voices. Some really really good and often surprising sounds come out of it.

Here’s one more track that is only the Harmonic Oscillator going through Sisters before Mimeophon, not as noisy as the last but demonstrates how dynamic this effect can be with little work (no post effects were added at all, I’ll add):

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#550

Hmm, when I got the answer from Make Noise I was quite disappointed. Although there are so many people complaining about that problem…

The Noise-Floor doesn’t reminds on “analog delays or tape echos” - its just annoying digital noise - especially in DRY mode

I really like the sound of Mimeophon - but the noise level is way too much for live or studio conditions - especially when I do some bus compression on the modulars output…

I will test the Chronblob delay in VCV, perhaps I can get a similar sound with chronoblob, a filter and a reverb

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#551

This is kinda my experience as well. Alhough I’m keeping my Mimeophon since the module is still fun to play, I find the response a bit of a dodge.

I think an interesting comparison is the noise floor on the Endorphin.es Milky Way. That module’s noise is a tad more extreme, but similar in character, yet I’ve seen nobody celebrate it. Endorphin.es has failed to fix the issue entirely with firmware updates, but they don’t try to pass it off as a positive trait.

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