#552

+1

Didnt know the problems on the milky way. what about the FXAid from Happy Nerding?

#553

I have found this too. I actually find it much less bothersome when things are running quite wet, and the noise works quite well as a source for resonant feedback when things are going wild, but it’s pretty unlovable when running dry, especially for very quiet sounds (where you can really hear the noise gate kick in). I wish in general that make noise had a way with their digital modules of cross fading to a true bypass signal or something to get round this issue. The alternative is to create your own in the rack, of course, by having mimeophon in an FX loops and having it 100% wet, but this is a bit inconvenient in a small case where you want to just plonk it down at the end of the chain…

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#554

From the Make Noise site “The Mimeophon music synthesizer module is a stereo, multi-zone color audio repeater”. The word color kind of implies that it has character, no?
And nowhere it is marketed as clean, unlike DLD for example (“Not a tape or analog emulation but a modern crystal-clear digital delay”).
And also, there are a ton of delays on the market, what’s the point of bashing this one?

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#555

The noise is mostly present in the dry end of the mix. Surely, that’s not what was being described above.

It’s also not the module anyone is “bashing” here (not sure why criticism is considered bashing when MN is involved), but the response to an issue that has been repeatedly called out by users.

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#556

Repeating criticism is bashing, no? Especially when the rational way is stated by Make Noise itself - they are happy to facilitate the return. So what’s the point of repeating?
I just don’t understand what are the expectations other than venting annoyance?

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#557

Their rational response was dismissive of the issue and placed the blame on the ears of the user.

I can’t imagine any retailer taking a return on a module sold over a year ago. They couldn’t have meant that to apply broadly.

The point? I guess we were hoping for a firmware-based solution, if that’s even possible. It’s a great module otherwise.

And no, repeated criticism is not bashing - it’s the result of not being sufficiently heard.

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#558

Well, then what to do with all the people that like the noise of the module, myself included?
Make Noise clearly didn’t market it as a clear delay.
And if noise/clarity was so important, why not check it in the first place, while return is possible?
So if someone kept the module for a year why Make Noise or someone else should be to blame other than the user?

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#559

in a modular system there are many things that could cause a significant noise level (power supply, other modules sprinkling noise into mimeophon). If there is lots of people complaining a problem, most of them figured out that it is the module itself which is producing annoying noise. Therefore, I think some people are uncertain about where the noise is coming from in the first place but if its clearly discussed in a forum like this one is, complains are getting more serious and should take into account by a (big) module company like make noise.

and: obviously there are people who like the (digital) noise of it, but they didn’t buy it because of that “feature” for sure. like Gexex and I mentioned: its completly ok and part of the sound of the module if there is some noise in the feedback which gets amplified by the module (and thats the character of the module) but such a digital noise floor running it in dry mode is completely undesired in any case in my opinion.

I will think about a send/return solution as it doesn’t seem make noise is tackling the problem…
otherwise I will have to sell it to someone who loves the digital noise

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#560

That does not answer the question if so many people are unsatisfied with the product - what are they waiting for? I certainly don’t try to make you accept the module. I just don’t get why you kept it if it was faulty in your opinion.

#561

I own it for a short period. (I just think, that number of complains will still increase if its clear that the problem comes from mimeophon and no other source / even if one own the module for a longer period)

I just want a clear answer from make noise.

  1. If it is a hardware problem and therefore not solvable, thats ok, then I have to deal with that. they just should name it

  2. if its a firmware problem I hope we can push the topic that make noise will solve the problem. if they do that update, you can still choose from updating or not :wink:

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#562

Regarding 2 i asked before what should all the people who like the noisy character do? As the choice of updating or not is not valid because it cuts me off of everything that comes after the fix for example. Which is shitty also.

#563

sure, thats true. but not undoable (e.g. offering two versions of each firmware). actually I dont think there will be any major update which includes new possibilities. the “clearing all zones update” was also initiated by the community I think.

edit: I will stop spaming the thread and will return when I got the next answer from make noise support
edit2: if there is some other people who dont like the noise or are annoyed by that, just write a message to make noise support. perhaps they consider tackling the problem when they get many mails!

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#564

The behavior that you have described is normal. Some of the electronic components that give the Mimeophon its unique functionality and audio processing power can also add a more “digital” character noise to the module’s noise floor.

I don’t know, I think they’ve answered that.

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#565

For what it’s worth, I do think the main concern some folks have about it (noise added to the pass-through dry signal) can indeed be solved by using it in an effect loop, and indeed there’s so much to love about the Mimeophon that that’s what I’ve ended up doing, rather than replace it with something else. If anyone here is new to modular, here’s a simple recipe to do this if you have stackable cables: plug your input into the mimeophon’s input with a stackable cable. Plug the output of mimephon and a second stackable from the input into two inputs of a mixer. Turn the mix knob fully to “repeats”. Control the dry wet mix by varying the two channels on your mixer. (If you have a stereo mixer you can do this with a stereo input and output too). With this kind of setup, I’ve found that the remaining noise (coming in the repeats only) doesn’t bother me at all - presumably because it’s being shaped pleasingly by the colour and halo algorithms.

Hope this helps some people. I don’t always need this solution (for example, if I have a less dynamic, loud sound source), but it’s useful for more “lowercase” types of sounds!

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#566

This is only real solution. Treat the module as you would a rack FX unit and run full wet.

The dry mix noise definitely improves with gain staging. But I’ve found many eurorack FX, digital modules and power supplies do not have good noise floor standards (Endorphin.es were mentioned, I found high noise floor too on their Grand Terminal), and when you ask companies about it, they don’t seem to get it. None of this would be tolerated in pro audio world.

Beyond that eurorack fx standards in general are not very good, most of the reverbs are terrible and don’t blend with the source at all (Erbe is an exception) – especially the room reverbs are primitive to any rack unit or plugin with dense early reflection modeling. That said, Mimeophon wet signal does sound great, darkness reminiscent of old Eventide delays sans the pitch-shifting, and the echo halo also blends well.

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#567

using e.g. a DualXFade from HappyNerding makes ito more convienent (and has a “stereo mode” & only 4 hp)

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#568

really good point. but should be discussed in another thread

#569

Sounds like people don’t have a choice and somebody forces them to tolerate things they otherwise would not. Also dismissing all amazing artists who creatively use noisy gear specifically because of character as non pro is strange.
Why turn a matter of taste and preference into something else?

And agreed it’s offtopic :slight_smile:

#570

I seem to be drawn between accepting some of the already mentioned shortcomings of eurorack (noise, unexpected behaviour, lofi where there should be at least mid-fi, or even hifi), and then longing for the exquisite sound of something like the Instruo Arbhar from other modules, too. Sometimes I manage to embrace the shortcomings, like it’s “just another instrument, accept it for what it is”, while other times I really wish there would be more attention paid to perfecting these very, very expensive instruments …

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#571

Noise can always be added.
I love old noisy bbd delays myself.
The point is the expectation of a low noise floor is reasonable, and noise should be exactly as you say - a creative choice.
That’s relevant to this thread.

I’m not saying you’re not “pro” merely pointing out the standards that exist with pro audio equipment. Of course old 1176s and DBX 160s and so on are rather noisy. But todays equipment standards are simply a fact.

Same deal with Sound Devices preamps and conversion for example vs prosumer stuff. Field recordists tend to prefer the higher quality standards.

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