#376

Just when I was about to leave the office. I’ll have to sit here a while longer now…

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#377

I’ve got a Shared System plus, and plan to add a QPAS and Mimeophone to the party at some hopefully not too distant point…

Wondering what folks would recommend as to which one to get first, and why…

Thanks!

#378

Though I’m currently lacking both of them (and eventually plan to add both to my custom Shared System-style setup), I’d recommend adding QPAS first so you have additional filtering options to supplement the Optomix’s low-pass gating capabilities.

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#379

Thanks, I think I’m leaning that way…

The Shared System has Erbeverb and Echophon already, which granted are not equivalent to a Mimeophon but still… I suspect that the filtering is a more radical initial expansion of capabilities…

#380

I can confirm that a piezo signal into Phonogene is feasible in terms of gain and it sounds awesome

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#382

Here’s another (inofficial) demo of the upcoming Tape & Microsound Music Machine. It’s a self-built version (thea actual system is not available yet), but the only difference seems to be that it uses X-Pan instead of X-OH as ouptut module.

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#383

I suppose i’m speaking out of ignorance, but $2k+ seems a little bit steep for (obv. high quality) a 3U Make Noise system. I imagine it’d be more attractive if it were priced at/around $2,000–or even $1.8 - 1.9k … IMO, of course. I probably have a skewed perception (thinking it’s larger than it is) of the scale of production, for such a thing.

From the perspective of building a system piece by piece (1-3 modules at any given point), it seems quite expensive for a package deal. I understand that most of the modules comprising the TMMM are heavy hitters. I apologize for the negative sentiment. Regardless, I’m eager to hear what people make with this system, as it’s an unusual series of modules that might not seem so cohesive (in combination) on the surface.

#384

It’s certainly expensive, but that’s eurorack, which despite how it can seem on forums like this is still a very boutique industry driven by very very small companies making a lot of stuff by hand. As far as affordability goes, Make Noise are one of the better manufacturers out there IMO- but the TMMM features some of their most expensive but also finest modules. There aren’t a ton of great comparisons out there for self-contained 3U packages- maybe the Endorphins system, which is 10hp fewer modules with no room to expand, and nearly 400 dollars more expensive than the TMMM (though their design intentions and use cases aren’t comparable really).

Important also to consider what you’re paying for: a stereo filter module which is built out of literally 4 analog filter cores with QPAS; an infinitely versatile and very high fidelity real-time (and/or not real-time) voltage controllable stereo sampler/looper/live effect/digital tape machine in Morphagene; Maths needs no introduction for the variety of what it can do, and it’s analog which contributes to price; Woggle which is analog based on I believe two VCO’s; Mimeophon which simultaneously does (in stereo) chorus, flange, karplus, dedicated voltage controlled doppler/psychoacoustic stereo effects, looping, echo, delay of up to I believe 40 seconds per tap?, and reverb continuously variable from mild diffusion to cavernous and shimmer, with voltage controllable filtering, and all done in very high fidelity. And of course the extra little utilities and a metal case with power.

With regards to system cohesion, I actually think they are extremely well matched together and dedicated to high fidelity stereo abstract processing in a modular environment. It’s not something that is trying to be a synthesizer, in the traditional sense of the word.

I swear I’m not a Make Noise salesperson. (yet) :wink:

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#385

Well, at least it doesn’t seem much cheaper than buying the parts piece by piece. The black Maths looks pretty cool though…

Then again, this whole thing about getting the black version of some modules only when buying a full system can be a bit frustrating at times. I’ve been thinking about getting a DPO lately, and it would (aesthetically) fit so much better into my system with a black front panel…

That being said, I’m very interested in the TMMM and very curious to see some more in depth demos. The idea of a complete and well-thought-out system seems very intriguing.

I’m just not sure if there would be to much “overlap” with the modules I already have (Teletype + Mannequins series), since they share a good amount of functionality with those of the TMMMM (random & modulation source/multichannel filtering/sampling/utilities etc. ),

#386

Is there anything special about the MN Mut’l that other mults can’t do?

#387

It’s a passive mult, so it can’t do anything you could do with stackables or another switched mult.

This is also the case for the CV Bus in their shared system case. There is some active circuitry to display the signal’s polarity but in essence it’s a passive mult.

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#388

uuuh, TIL. I double-checked this and found this quote regarding CV bus, on MW:

Because all critical CV outputs in the Make Noise System are buffered, a passive multiple is all that is needed.

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#389

This from their site: The Multiple music synthesizer module is a simple but important module that allows for sending a signal to multiple destinations. Within the Make Noise system the Multiple may also be used for combining clock, gate and pulse signals together to create interesting timing sources (in other words, it acts as a Gate combiner aka logic OR circuit). It has 9 inter-connected sockets that may be split into different group combinations depending upon how it is patched. The jacks circled in white will make or break the interconnects between the 3 groups of three, thus allowing for three 3-way, one 5-way/ one 3-way or one 7-way multiple. The Multiple is passive, because the Make Noise system does not require Buffered Multiples since all critical control signals are already buffered in such a way as to provide a large fan-out capability.

So the question about this next part is whether this would be standard behavior for any mult?

“Within the Make Noise system the Multiple may also be used for combining clock, gate and pulse signals together to create interesting timing sources (in other words, it acts as a Gate combiner aka logic OR circuit).”

If this is standard behavior for most mults, then it’s not necessary to devote 4hp to a mult, right?

Thanks!

#390

My understanding is that it’s standard behavior for a passive mult, but the buffered outputs on the OTHER modules is not necessarily standard across all manufacturers.

Personally I couldn’t live without my CV bus, I absolutely hate using stackcables. Prior to having the CV bus case I popped the Make Noise mult in my previous system because its super cheap and I actually like that it’s 4hp as opposed to 2hp- as I don’t like when things get super fiddly and crowded. I find myself patching with multing things in mind a lot more when I have a dedicated mult module as opposed to using stackcables.

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#391

Good to hear…

I have a Shared System so the cv bus is in the rig but I’m also trying to sort out that specific description to see if it’s normal for mults or passive mults because I have some other spots where a 2hp sized mult makes more sense in the available space…

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#392

No, this is not. Or I’d rather say it works like any other passive mult, because it is a row of jacks connected by a copper trace without any other components in-between.

However, the crucial point here is that it not be behaviour of the mult, but the behaviour of the system as such. Make Noise designed their modules an a way that signals can be mixed without any additional circuitry. While this may be the case for some other manufacturers it is not a standard. This is why they state “within the Make Noise system”.

If you plan on replacing the 4hp Make Noise mult within your Make Noise System with any other 2hp passive mult go ahead and save those 2hp for a crow!

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#393

The CV Bus is cool because it’s the mult that seems laid out in the most common sense way. It’s a distribution that sends signals horizontally along the whole case. They said it was originally suggested by Alessandro Cortini, which makes sense as it’s basically how the middle patching section of the Music Easel works.

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#394

Same here! For me it makes patching way more fun and easier to track the signal flow.

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#395

You mean for a SECOND Crow!!! :slight_smile:
I’ve been thinking about it, for sure…

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#396

Isn’t this new Tape Music System just the price of the modules added up? Are they giving you any discount for the case? I think what you are paying for is a curated system, otherwise you could just put together your own thing. I wouldn’t complain about the price of the system really because those modules are expensive. More and more as I’m into Euro I’m liking the idea of a system because I think limiting of choice is something good, because of the option paralysis that happens with Euro.

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