I never understood the appeal (although can surely appreciate the practicality) of small footprint modules. Maybe it has to do wIth the fact that I like hands on type of patches better.Or all that ‘micro’ version of MI modules.

One of the characteristics of MN modules I appreciate the most is the UX and usability, exacty for the afromented reason.
Except maybe for Tempi, I really dislike the UX in that very module.

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I got the 0-ctrl for exactly these reasons. Controlling Morphagene is really fun and opens it up to being a playable instrument. Touch level to gene size and pressing down creates nice granular sounds.

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Where did you find this information? I would like to know more about the 0-ctrl prototypes.
Personally, I would prefer a larger 0-ctrl, 16 steps and more functions.

From the interview with Tony from MN on podular modcast.

it wasn’t market feedback, it was internal discussion. there was never a full prototype of the larger size. also, it was only slightly larger than the release version.

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Got one today. Your team did a great job, very intuitive and powerful design. So glad there is a clock out.

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Stereotypical use of Erbe Verb has been mentioned here and elsewhere. Never tried it myself so wondering would that would be? Got me curious and not even sure I can guess, end of chain placement, over modulation?

I am finding the 0-ctrl to be a real breath of fresh air. I’ve grown weary of time and pitch grids and rules, and I appreciate a controller which allows the blurring of those lines. Here’s an example of something that (using my existing control) would have been near impossible to generate. Maybe a jittery Marbles could come close, but not likely. Thanks @walker and team for encouraging us to let go a bit.

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I just got one too, and I’m feeling the exact same thing. In the few short hours I’ve had to play with it, I’m feeling like it’s already pushing me out of the grid, and really is encouraging me to interact with it.

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So I’ve spent a bunch more time with the 0-Ctrl. What’s really confusing is how the speed works with a clock input. Once you wrap your brain around it though you can get some ratchets that are actually in-time with the clock. What is really the most confusing though is how gate length is tied to speed, it gets really odd when there’s a clock patched in. I dont know if I love the choice of gate length and speed being inextricably tied together. The 0-Ctrl I think shines best at being able to fluidly break out of the grid. I can see of problem arising though when I play another modular player and we share clocks. Also even when I play myself I use Tempi as my main clock source, clocking Mimeophone and Marbles to it as well. So when the meter starts breaking down on 0-Ctrl, things can get chaotic in a way that is not always desirable… However, I tried clocking Marbles and Mimeophone from the step
gate outputs on the 0-Ctrl, for example using step 1 and 5 patched together as the backbone of the clock, so if I decide to let things get a little nuts on 0-Ctrl they remained synced to the ‘1’ and ‘3’ of the beat, even if its irregular. I can kinda see getting rid Tempi and using 0-Ctrl as the master clock this way.

Edit: Hey @walker I just saw your video on externally clocking the 0-ctrl. I’m a little confused because when I clock it with the Tempi, I’m not just getting envelope length variations like you show in the video but dramatic shifts in timing as well… Is there something I’m missing here? Thanks in advance!

Second Edit: Its Tempi causing this issue. If the pulse type is set one way it causes all sorts of weirdness with 0-Ctrl, the other way it works as in your video. Mighty weird.

Do you have any recommendations for a Make Noise stereo system?
I have a Shared System B&G Plus (filled the case with Function and Lxd). I’m really happy with my system: sequencing, modulations, timbres. However, I‘m playing mostly with headphones and it all sounds to flat.

So, I plan to get a new skiff and add a few stereo modules to my system. I’m pretty much settled on X-Pan and QPAS. Mimeophon will likely come later. Anyhow, I have a few questions and I’m looking for recommendations for modules that share the MN usability and philosophy (or are at least close).

What should I add for modulation? Is a second Maths in a 9U crazy? Batumi? But then I would need additional attenuators for X-Pan and they also lack mixing of two LFOs. What would you add?

Do you have any recommendations for a stereo mixer? X-Pan has only one stereo in, but I have QPAS and Morphagene, plus Erbe Verb and maybe Mimeophon later. A simple 2x3 unity mixer, a Befaco STMix or something else?

Any recommendations for a stereo reverb as an end of chain effects? Anyone using LRMSMSLR with Erbe Verb for this?

Hyrlo is a good option. STMix would also be a good choice. Just depends how many channels of stereo you are expecting.

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Worng Soundstage is a nice stereo mixer.

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Slightly cheaper than the Befaco STMix–with one less set of stereo inputs, no AUX inputs, but a dedicated level control for the stereo output–is Make Noise’s own XOH module, with both modules opening up a lot of stereo mixing potential in a 6HP package. I added an XOH to my 7U CV Bus case despite having the Output portion of the CV Bus module handy, and it has changed my patching and signal paths since. I also like having it on-hand in case I decide shrink things down into a single 3U skiff setup, as I’m just a QPAS and Mimeophon away from having a Tape & Microsound Music Machine at my disposal.

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Don’t own 'em, but I’ve been eyeing the Happy Nerding options: 2xSAM is 2 channels in a compact 4hp and 3x St Mix is 3 channels in 6.

Get along well with a pair of synthrotek stereo output/mixers

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Thank you all for your mixer suggestions.

I don’t see how I can use my 3U as a standalone instrument, so XOH is not an option as it only gives me one additional stereo mix.

I did know Soundstage, but I did not recognize that I can use it to mix stereo sources. It looks really great! But then I’m better off without X-Pan, because the two pan channels have no independent outputs. Maybe a VCA with panning capabilities? A Doepfer panner or crossfader? A sequential switch would make great stereo effects. Maybe not a Maths but a Zadar. Something to offset the voltage?.. And here I’m spending hours on Modulargrid, climbing down the rabbit hole, building a frankenskiff. All I wanted to avoid by going with a Shared System in the first place. So I better withdraw the idea of using Soundstage (for now).

I’m not clear on what you’re really trying to accomplish, so perhaps you aren’t clear, yet, either? You seem to be flailing around.

Your first complaint was that your SS sounded “flat”. That is the sort of thing one usually addresses with effects and other tools to affect the stereo field. QPAS and Mimeophon would be good examples, staying within the Make Noise stable. You might be well served picking up a good reverb pedal (Space, Empress, Big Sky, BAM etc.) to add lushness to your palette without monopolizing the Erbe-verb. If you’re stubborn about keeping everything “in the rack”, then you could look into the Happy Nerding FX AID or TipTop ZVERB.

X-PAN is a good module, useful for CV-controlled panning, crossfading between multiple sources, some audio-rate modulations, and it’s a nice sub-mixer. But you then wander into a various ostensible shortcomings of X-PAN and inquire about stereo mixers (I have an exhaustive roundup of those) suggesting you now want an end-of-chain mixer that everything converges on. There’s certainly nothing wrong with a stereo mixer, although I’ll point out that approach is not itself exemplary of “the MN usability and philosophy”. Later, you seem to talk about wanting your skiff to be a standalone instrument, but I’m not sure.

Here’s my suggestion: put down Modular Grid and stop trying to master plan. If you’re interested in, say, QPAS, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with picking up a skiff and extending your Shared System with a module or two. Keep it about exploration, evolution and inspiration. If you find yourself short on modulation, pick up another Maths (if you like it and prize familiarity) or try some other modulation source that intrigues you—no need to make a choice preemptively.

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Thanks for your reply.

That’s what I did. Sorry if my reply wasn’t clear. The idea of using Soundstage pushed me down the rabbit hole, before I realized that I don’t want this.

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I put a Takaab version of Nearness in my small Make Noise system, which is quite old school with a Phonogene and Echophon but no Erbe-Verb.
Just being able to place things in the stereo field has added interest to patches. I can do some panning by feeding the same signal to the top and bottom of Mod-demix and using two envelopes (or the mirrored envelope from contour) for the cv.
For 3hp and little money it’s certainly worth exploring.

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