I had the Mimeophon in a case without Erbe-Verb and Echophon and have gone through many configurations of an all MN system. Every time I try to change things around to accommodate a new Make Noise module I end up going back to the stock Shared System configuration. It feels limited in the right ways, giving you just enough tools to work out your artistic goals while requiring your creativity and also allowing you to forget about the project of perfecting your modular instrument. One thing I really enjoy is using the Erbe-Verb as a noisy pseudo distortion at the end of the chain by turning its feedback up and and patching an audio rate signal from the DPO into the mix input, you can get so many timbral flavors rich in harmonics and cool stuff like that.

I am lucky to have a different case where I can put the newer MN modules in with other stuff, but having tried both configurations (with and without Mimeophon) I’ve discovered that I really enjoy the Shared System as a whole and I really miss stuff when I take it out. I even missed the Echophon which seemed like one that so many people were regarding as being “outdated.”

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I tried this and really didn’t like having it split apart! It killed the instrument feel for me… But I did really enjoy playing a set with no control modules and treating Maths as my main hands on control interface

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Agreed. I bought a used Shared System several months ago and couldn’t resist the temptation to expand almost immediately, but looking back I should have just taken a deep breath and resisted that temptation. What I had received was complete on its own and I could have spent years just exploring the variety available with-in.

That said, I never liked the Phonogene but love the Mimeophon (I didn’t like Morphagene either). Still, maybe with time I would have appreciated it. Kind of regret selling it now.

I kept the Echophon and don’t think I would sell it. It still sounds great, but admittedly I’ve been using it less now that I have the Mimeophon.

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this is great. just listening to this guy talk about using a modular system, the enthusiasm is joyful and quite affirming.
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I would just like to second everything you’ve said. I’m in the exact same boat, the system never feels right to me unless it’s exactly how they intended. I have a BnG STO in there as well, but that’s been in since day one for me.

Echophon just continues to grow on me as a great module but it’s Erbe Verb I struggle with getting things I like out of, apart from a nice end of chain thing. Still, I can’t seem to let it go… (also, thanks for the tip. Can’t wait to try this)

It’s nice knowing I’m not alone :black_heart:

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I’ve honestly struggled to get much I like out of Erbeverb… it sounds muddy regardless of what I do with it…

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I’ve found that it sounds best as either a dark springy type verb on a single sound OR as the gentlest natural space width enhancing end of chain stereo effect. I haven’t used any other reverb that does this as well and transparent, BUT you still need a reverb after it if you want any obvious reverby lushness. I keep an OTO BAM n BOUM glued to my stereo output these days though :man_shrugging:t3:

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Interesting!

I may add a 2hp verb for end of chain in a small space…

I’m pondering getting a MN skiff to move my tempi, Rene and a few other things into to make more space in the main case for things like my uO_c and Batumi… that would give me some room for a few other new friends!

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Seriously. If anyone ever asks me why I got into modular, I’m going to play this video for them. Bill explained in the simplest way possible so much of what appealed to me when I starting building my system and making music a couple years ago. Thank you @walker for putting this conversation out there for us.

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The Tape and Microsound Music Machine is up on the MN website:

http://makenoisemusic.com/synthesizers/tape-and-microsound-music-machine

Wogglebug -> Maths -> Mult -> Morphagene -> QPAS -> Mimeophon -> XOH

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Just needs a Music Thing Modular Mikrophonie or Mutable Instruments Ears.

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XOH vs Rosie??? I already have Rosie and am contemplating XPAN…

this is super appealing and if 2019 me weren’t already pretty set with synths i would be breaking myself to acquire it.

Back on Makenoise design philosophy: In a discussion about Mimeophon, a couple of things clicked for me. Design wise - Makenoise makes pretty standard stuff, but they add a couple of knobs that make whatever it is very very different.

Examples,

  • Mimeophon can be a simple echo / delay…or it can be nuts.
  • Erbe verb can be a simple reverb, or it can be nuts.
  • Morphagene can be a looper / sampler, or you can crank that morph knob all the way right and it can add weird tinkles to everything

Everything is “module can be a simple whatever or it can be nuts or maybe it tinkles.”

I’m coining a phrase here, “food truck design”. Here’s how you use it in a sentence, “Tom Erbe follows a food truck model for algo design - basic…but…with a twist that makes it wildly different.”

Definitely true for all the Erbe modules, but it still holds true for Rene (it’s a sequencer…but…carrrrtesian), STO (wave folder?)…DPO breaks the model a tiny bit because it follows the pattern for “complex oscillator” pretty closely. Maybe the strike adds something there? Modules that break the design tend to break it in the all weird direction - Telharmonic, Mysterion.

This feels pretty right. It’s also been our home decorating theory for a while - everything is pretty standard leaning towards minimalist but with one weird thing in the room.

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Could the input of the Morphagene do the job in most cases? I have one, but I also have an Ears so I’ve never thought to check. I think the first thing I’d want to add to this setup is a Tempi (assuming I wanted to keep in all MN, which I probably would).

I was thinking more to pick up external sounds using the piezo microphone to then mangle through the modules.
You might be able to just plug a piezo mic into the Morphagene if it has enough gain. I have a Phonogene so I might try that. I also have a MTM Mikrophonie but I haven’t soldered it together yet.

Ears has the envelope follower, which Morphagene lacks, as well as the microphone, but it’s mono…

Also if you wanted to put Morphagene later in the signal path (like after Mimeophone), you would be pretty stuck, I think…

Morphagene has an envelope follower

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Two suggestions for an expanded Tape and Microsound Music Machine:

Added Telharmonic, X-Pan, Tempi, Pressure Points, René, and a second Morphagene. Not exactly the traditional use of the sequencer, but I think Rene’s QCVs could be fun in a dual Morphagene setup, especially if one or both have 1v/oct varispeed enabled on the SD card.

Similar to the previous one, only with René swapped out for even more @ebremot soundhack modules. This could be the “soundhack Music Machine.”

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Maths is an envelope follower.

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