#472

That seem to be kind of the nature of random, no? Unexpected results? I’m not teasing, I mean it as as a serious inquiry. Are there random modules you like? (At the risk of taking you too literally. :wink:)

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#473

The Wogglebug is really controllable and useful, reading the manual helped clue me into what the various inputs and outputs do but working with it for a while is what gave me a very good sense of how to integrate it better into patches and intuit when it’s gonna help me get somewhere I want to go. A Mordax Data clarified a lot for me on a technical level but I think the idea of it is that with a basic understanding of what it does it really opens up and begins to make sense in the context of creative practice, and it challenges you to develop your own approach, maybe like any good instrument. I feel that way about all Make Noise modules, they’re never exactly what you thought they were going to be but whatever they end up becoming has a lot to do with the way you learn to apply them in terms of your creative practice, since they are not usually “get me from point a to b the fastest cleanest way possible” designs. I see their design more as interesting creative prompts with interfaces that over time can be reliably navigated with intuition. After over 2 years with wogglebug I still find myself finding useful stuff in areas that had remained previously unexplored, like for example I found the smooth vco output at a slow clock speed is really nice to send to a traditional vco’s linear fm input. I don’t think I’m an expert at MN modules but my goal is to explore the development of a creative voice and not to engineer some exact sound outcome so I enjoy their designs a lot, especially together in a 3 or 6u sized system

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#474

One favorite thing with the Wogglebug is to Mult the STEPPED output into EXTERNAL and a v/oct (or other destination) and you got a drunk/random walk. EGO/ID changes the size of the steps.

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#475

The lack of repeatability is one of my favorite features of the Wogglebug. (Along with the audio outs)

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#476

I had the old version of the Wogglebug and while I never quite understood how it worked, I knew that I could always count on it to modulate things in a fun and interesting way.

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#477

Yeah, I have a Marbles, a Turing Machine, a sample and hold and a 2hp Rnd. With all of these random modules I have a good idea of how to make it react in certain ways by doing certain things. In other words, I pretty much know how the outcome parameters will generate random values, which are dictated by my choices directly. With the Wogglebug I felt it was just doing its own thing, not reacting in predictable ways every time. It fully could have just been my lack of understanding though.

#478

In general I feel this way too.
The only MN modules that I felt were not that intuitive were the Wogglebug and the Teleharmonic.

#479

I found watching Wogglebug on a dual trace scope helped me understand what it was doing… at least the non-audio rate sections anyway. It’s not even random with the Id knob turned down, but an S&H with its own clock, slew, and the Woggle circuit which behaves in a deterministic way. I found it an interesting way to create alternate versions of envelopes, for instance.

I still found Marbles much more to my liking personally, due to the looping, CVable quantization, rhythmic interplay of the outputs and option to sample the values.

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#480

This. Yeah, with all this said I do sometimes miss the innate organic quality to the randomness of the Wogglebug. Maybe some day I’ll pick one up again and try to learn it better. One thing I wish it had was a direct out for noise, as I’m always optimizing for space it would have been good to have, instead of the VCO outs, IMO.

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#481

I picked up a Sapel, which I thought might replace the Wogglebug but instead taught me a lot about both random sources and made me better appreciate the Wb’s wildness. Now I wouldn’t want to part with either of them :slight_smile:

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#482

Sapél is called the “tamed random source” for a reason! That’s what I currently use and am pretty happy with it.

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#483

run it into a CV recorder :smiley:

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#484

Love the Sapél; also noise outputs are beautiful.

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#485

I’d love to see a make noise cv recorder

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#486

I’ve been doing this:

Square wave -> modDemix
CV to be recorded -> modDemix Carrier
modDemix out -> Morphagene
Record
Play back CV via envelope follower on Morphagene CV out

It doesn’t preserve amplitude, but with some massaging you can get most shapes to play back - plus you can speed up slow down, reverse etc.

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#487

Nice patch! That’s one expensive cv recorder though.

#488

Just in case there was anyone who missed this absolute gem: https://www.instagram.com/p/B71bSAUlPtn/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

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#489

Randomly stumbled upon this Frac format Wogglebug #3 with panel design by Tony Rolando. Fun to see some of his aesthetic choices carry over into the designs of the Wiard Wogglebug and Richter Wogglebug.

wogglebug3

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#491

Last night, I dreamt that I had a new Make Noise module that hadn’t yet been announced, and upon waking, I completely forgot what it was called and exactly what it did. It looked kind of like a mix of Maths and Wogglebug but with somewhat different functions from both of them. I think it was intended for CV generation and/or signal mangling, and it was all analog.

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#492

I still have the v1 Wogglebug, there is something weird and magical about it! Lately I’ve been experimenting with using it as an audio source. One of my usual things is use my main voice as the input to heart in - it’s subtle but adds something.

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