#553

It was not simultaneous ( i bought B+G with tempi but it still had Rene V1. Morphagene and Rene pushed it over for me to a must buy).

#554

Sounds like there’s been a continual evolution. :+1:

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#555

Definately! Great system. May let it continue :slight_smile:

#556

Hi,
Among other things I’m considering buying a shared system. Is replacing echophon with mimeophon really worth it ?
I don’t care much for stereo, but I’ve had some hands-on time with the mimeophon and liked it a great deal. Echophon can pitch shift, but I don’t much care about that feature. On the other hand, Mimeophon’s halo is cool, but I’ll have a 'verb in the system…

#557

While the Morphagene isn’t exactly the Phonogene 2, it is—in practice—for many people.
While Rene 2 is literally Rene 2, it’s actually quite different from Rene 1.
While the Mimeophon isn’t exactly the Echophon 2, it is—in practice—for many people.

The Echophon hasn’t gotten any less useful.

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#558

That’s understandable.

Except Rene 1 / Phonogene are not in production any more, while Echophon still is, which makes thing a little confusing for a beginner like me !

#559

It’s not clear whether Make Noise will eventually jettison Echophon from the Black & Gold, or not. It took them a while to swap the Morphagene out for the Phonogene, and for a while, they insisted they weren’t going to do that. But then they did.

There are quite a few used Rene 1, Echophon and Phonogene modules available.

#560

That makes sense. I emailed Make Noise Sales and the person told me something akin to what you’re saying : that if I swap Echo for Mimeo, it’s not a shared system anymore, but should be considered a “custom system”.

Also I’m trying to stick to an up-to-date vision of what the product is. I don’t wanna say I have no idea what I’m doing, but…

#561

One consideration is that the B&G is really a monaural system. The selection of components and your ability to mix audio signals is mono-centric. The Erbe-verb and Morphagene have snuck in there, yes, but the former is mono-in, and the latter can be used in a monaural manner. (By contrast, the new Tape & Microsound System is quite stereo.)

If I were just beginning, I would stick to the standard B&G system for a start. There’s a TON to learn there, and lots of videos and materials to work from that are specific to that set of components. You can always augment later.

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#562

Echophon is fantastic. It’s cool and dirty and right at home in a shared system. Morphagene does feel like a bit of a true-stereo outlier, but it doesn’t feel to out of place.

Edit: @samule.edmoon, aka the first person who liked this post, is also the same person who talked me out of replacing Echophon and Erbe-Verb with QPAS and Mimeophon. I’ve really learned to love the mono nature of the Shared System!

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#563

Haha I debated adding my 2 cents, but since I no longer have a system I decided not to.

I think they’re totally different and Echophon is one of my all time favourite modules without question!

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#564

Worth remembering that you can use Morphagene as a dual mono device also…

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#565

Sounds like vanilla shared system is the way to go… Thank you!

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#566

I ended up with basically a shared system with the tape system. No regrets

#567

Related to this, I just learned from an interview with Kelly Kelbel that Make Noise was almost going to be called Owl Industries, which explains the OWL on the Wogglebug #3 Frac panel. Like Kelly, I’m very happy they went with the name Make Noise instead.

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#568

Something interesting I’ve found is putting gate signals through an attenuverter before sending them into the strike input of the DPO, MMG, or Optomix. You can get some subtle variations, particularly when inverting the gate signal prior. I first tried this with the accent input on the MMG, to tame the results a bit.

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#569

Great idea! I’ve tried attenuating prior but never inverting :thinking: Stoked to give this a shot whenever my damn system shows up :crossed_fingers:

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#570

I sold my Shared System after using it primarily for nearly two years. Recently, I caved and bought it back. This setup has changed everything for me :heart_eyes:

In the past I would always try and compose solely on the system to make tracks but this time around I’ve been approaching it completely different. Mostly, just trying out things I haven’t in the past.

It’s like a whole new world. The depth in modules like Erbe, Echo n Morph become so much more apparent when you really dive in rather than throwing them in or at the end of chain to just serve a simple purpose.

I realize a lot of people probably explore that way anyways but if you don’t I highly recommend it.

It’s just funny to me that something I knew so well can feel absolutely new and inspiring again just by changing the workflow and my mindset somewhat.

The record light on my deluge has never lit up this much before :joy:

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#571

Can you expand a bit more on your new approach/ what makes it different/ how you go about diving deeper/ composing?

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#572

Sorry I didn’t elaborate more, I didn’t want to feel like I was blabbing :joy: (but since you asked)

I just treated the system as a solo instrument before. Always trying to get a “track” out of everything that’s contained. Making sure every VCA & Audio in/out was used for maximum usage. This was a great limitation but frustrating at times! (Especially considering mixing in the Make Noise world is a little less than ideal)

Now I’ve been spending a lot more time with feedback patches or creative patching just to sample and mangle after the patch. I’ve also been processing my Easel & field recordings through a pedalboard and THEN into the Shared System for more processing.

Before Erbe Verb spent a lot of time simply being the end of chain reverb. Echophon spent a lot of time being a simple delay. Morphagene was always used for textures within a dense “synth patch” but now I’m trying to treat all of the modules as a world of texture on their own!

Things like:

  • Using ModDeMix to amplitude modulate field recordings.

  • Using Erbe-Verb For “tape warble” effects. (see Make Noise’s instagram post from yesterday if you haven’t :heart_eyes:)

  • Slamming Erbe-Verb CV inputs with gate streams

  • Audio rate modulating the SOS & Mix controls

I never really got samplers before. But being able to experiment in the modular realm,
take a snap shot and continue on without worrying about the sound being gone forever has been a real eye opener. Before I would just make sure every single audio input/output on the system was crammed with something.

I should note, my goal is making ambient music. A lot of my patches tended to get VERY SYNTHY & VERY BUSY. Now I’m just finding the sounds in between the sounds and letting them breathe :sweat_smile:

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