#593

we’re yet to see about that :slight_smile:

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#594

What do you think are the chances of them bringing this new design into a smaller more direct pressure points update? 24hp so it could be swapped with PP+Brains, 4/5 steps, smaller tempi style buttons for the play/direction/interupt pads, no internal clock or attenuators as people would likely have other modules for that. It wouldn’t actually add a huge amount of functionality over PP+Brains, but I’m guessing the new touch pads are the same as the Rene 2 which seem to be a lot more reliable across different users and power supplies.

Pretty soon after the 0-Coast they released the Contour and Dynamix which were circuits from the 0-Coast so it’s possible. Although perhaps a Pressure Points V2 would be too much of a direct competition to their own product.

I have always policed my modular spending by limiting myself to a specific case size, so standalone devices like this feel like cheating!

#595

It wouldn’t shock me to see some updates filter out, although it should be noted that the Dynamix was retired pretty soon after release, so there was probably some lessons learned on their end about piecing out the 0-coast into smaller modules.

I find myself kinda wishing that the 0-control had additional pressure pads or something that could modify the sequencer. The whole easel metaphor feels a little dulled when so much of the variety you can get from the easel is the combo of the small sequencer, the keyboard, and the additional adjustable voltage pressure pads. Granted, the 0-coast has only one full voice (even if you can use the slope generator as a second sound source), but it feels like the combo of the two instruments won’t stretch quite as far as it could.

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#596

Exactly. That was also said about the 0-coast, which turned out to be rackable and Euro powered if you just put some little effort into it and are willing to hide the power entry behind a blind panel.

#597

That’s why I’m surprised that the Pittsburgh KB-1 isn’t more popular, it offers all three of the those in a euro format plus two additional trigger/gate/latching gate pads.

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#598

My understanding is the 0-coast is not Euro powered without a hardware mod, and Tony inferred pretty clearly that 0-Control would require at least as much alteration. So, barring new developments, it cannot just be unscrewed from its case and dropped into a rack. I suppose that Million Machine March guy has demonstrated that you put anything in a rack if you want to badly enough.

#599

I think Loopop alluded to a mod like that as voiding the warranty.

#600

Anything is possible, but one of the clues to why a revision of Pressure Points + Brains is unlikely to happen is that Brains continues to not be included in the Shared System. And if Make Noise felt they could significantly improve the touch plates of Pressure Points, they probably would have done so by now.

You can play that sort of psychological game, but let me point out that HP costs money—it’s a “hidden” cost of anything you mount in a rack. This fact throws the value proposition of 0-Control versus the Pressure Points options into even more stark relief.

#601

none at this time, I think. PP has 4 “steps”, 0-ctrl has 8, Rene has 16. on the assumption that there aren’t some non-obvious obstacles to rack-mounting 0-ctrl, all taken together makes a nice range of products.

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#602

Excellent point. The individual pressure and gate outputs of the standalone Pressure Points is something 0-Control does not reproduce.

This ties into one of the most unusual aspects of Pressure Points: you can use the module by itself, and you can chain up to four of them together to the same, extended effect. But you can only use Brains with one or two Pressure Points, and when you do connect Brains, it kind of messes with the default behavior of Pressure Points. Pressure Points by itself (or in series) is sort of one product, Pressure Points + Brains is sort of a different product. (Tip of the hat to the long-discontinued Analogue Memory module that was originally part of the overall concept.)

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#603

It costs 4 extra HP to just unscrew and rack-mount the 0-coast with a right-angled barrel cable from a Row Power 15V output :slight_smile: Just saying.

#604

It costs 4 extra HP to do that, plus 4 HP of row power, unless you’ve already got it. None of this makes a lick of sense to me, but people resort to all sorts of things in Eurorack, and that keeps things extra interesting.

Aside: Paranormal added the 0-Control to MG apparently with exactly this scenario in mind and punched in 400 mA +12V for the power consumption. I don’t know where he got that number, but if it’s verified, you can factor that in.

#605

It doesn’t cost the row power’s HP if you decide to plug 0-coast’s power adapter into the 0-coast. the point is that for people happy to spend 4hp on experiments, it’s possible to rack-mount it and try how it feels, without making any modifications to the 0-coast that would be hard to reverse later on. Makes sense to me.

0-coast’s power adapter says 15V 0.4A. If MN optimise for components they already have, the safe numbers on 0-ctrl power might be the same, though do note that both PP+Brains and Renè consume less than a 0-coast.

#606

Studio mate of mine has two of them racked with 4hp blinds and direct euro 16pin to 0coast barrel cables and they’re working just fine. Plugged directly to Intellijel power distro inside the case. He’s been running them with no problems for at least a year now.

Sadly it’s not an even hp count so you need at least sliding nuts to get it screwed on a row.

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#607

Not that much on topic anymore but maybe the 0ctrl might be somewhat rackable too.

#608

Let’s ask @ParanormalPatroler

#609

I prefer it outside the case.

I like this as a controller that can sit on top of a keyboard, interfacing with modular for quick and easy rhythmic accompaniment or manipulation of an existing gate stream for one part, and also in purer west coast fashion driven by or clocking random modules, and so on for events and timbres. Every time I try to fit a sequencer in 208hp, I end up having to lose something important.

I am mainly curious what the hell happens when you feed it rhythms rather than a steady clock and then mess with the time controls.

Pressure points I almost always use as a modulation source for timbres and fx, and Rene 2 I like for constructing melodies or getting cerebral, but this seems way more immediate as a gate sequencer (the immediacy aspect lost from Rene 1), and with clocking and dynamics superior to 2 PP plus Brains.

The only thing I wish is that they had included a sequential switch, but you can’t have everything.

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#610

I was just thinking earlier that I would love to see a Make Noise take on a sequential switch. Not that I need another switch with an a-150, a-151, and a-152 in my rack but I’d like to see what they could come up with.

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#611

Just a placeholder based on 0-Cost numbers. No official word yet.

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#612

The new ALM Boss Bow Two, which was announced a few days back here, I think is functionally close to what MN might do with a sequential switch. Of course, a MN panel would look very different, and Tony would probably not use a mode button and rely entirely on what is patched where.

2020-05-07 at 10.25 AM

The main reason I say that I think this module might be Make Noise-ish is the strobe mode, which mingles offset and triggers to open up more interesting patching behavior.

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