#694

Maybe the next module will be a stereo reverb to complement QPAS and Mimeophon.

#695

hmm interesting, I do have a Pod40X and it seems to have a very overspec’d power supply. did you need a special cable?

#696

Hope they will do a new reverb too, since this is something where its possible to break new ground and at the same time be true to their philosophy. Modulate the space, 3d listening position, algorithm etc.

I also dream of a simple to use digital CV-processing unit from them. Quantization, precision time compensated slew for v/oct, tracking generator maybe (Oberheim Matrix style), shift register, slop generator (DSI) and stuff like that.

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#697

Different modulation options rather than chorusy effect, and near/far or front/back early reflections and density control for them would be my choice. And two separate reverb engines that could be configured however you like in crossing true stereo, dual mono, and so on.

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#698

Make Noise already sells a stereo reverb. I suppose they could revise the module to add a stereo input purely to pass the dry signal through—and yes, that would be convenient for some of us—but that doesn’t seem like a Make Noise move.

A new MN reverb module would probably require Tom and Tony to see some new vein to mine, and if it was explicitly stereo, then that would almost assuredly mean moving beyond the symmetrical, abstract spatial characteristics of Erbe-Verb toward more specific, asymetrical, complex spaces under CV control. But is there any real creative value there? If you squint, the Tasty Chips ECR-1 is kind of offering something like that with the dual active convolution reverbs, and the jury seems to still be out.

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#699

Yeah but mono to stereo so doesnt keep the stereo-image intact. True stereo Erbe-verb would be nice.

But I think they’re more interested in doing a new reverb module. With concepts from Mimeophon. Being able to morph freely between algorithms, modulate the space without classic pitch-artifacts and stuff like that. Pretty much all reverbs are made to be set-and-forget effects so theres alot of unexplored things we havent really seen yet I think, we havent really been spoiled with new inventions in terms of reverb for a long time now. I seem to remember they wanted to do more things like this even with the Erbe-verb but were limited by memory and cpu back then.

Near/far front/back would be something that could be nice to have on simultaneous outs.

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#700

I just want a reverb that can actually sound like a room (real or virtual) with dense early reflections and stereo imaging preserved in the wet signal. You can make all these complex string and membrane sounds with west coast approaches, which would be complemented by such a reverb, and imagine the possibilities with cv control. Erbe is nice because it blends well with the source, and can do short reverbs well, but does not really do the room thing.

Try Relab VSR S24 (based on TC 6000’s VSS4 implementation, which has front/back and start/end for early reflections and separate modeling for the early reflection portion and the tail) or Exponential Audio (now Izotope) Nimbus and you’ll see what I mean. Or even Eventide SP2016, which is ancient by todays standards, but still sounds like a space. The 480L (Relab LX480 too) likewise has Large Wood Room which sounds ridiculously good, albeit early reflections are sparse delay lines (so Relab did an HD Random Hall with dense cluster reflections), but it does have dual engines and can do delays too (UAD version has twin delay like Relab plus other fx).

Another thing would be Quantec style resonant carrier model. U-he did that with their experimental Protoverb.

#701

I used a 4ms right angle barrel cable first. A number of cables have the same 2.1mm connectors. I think currently I use a Strymon DC ST to RA because the specific right angle connector profile allows me to partly shove it underneath the Rene’s panel, thus having Renè and 0-coast 3hp apart, covered by a blank.

(I didn’t write this. In all probability I don’t have a 0-coast. I’m not even into modular :slight_smile:)

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#702

You’re looking for studio effects trickery, which, as you point out, is already amply served by software. The case for a (expensive) module seems iffy at best, and quite distant from anything that seems likely to interest Make Noise. Meanwhile, your options for modulating software from a modular synthesizer keep expanding.

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#703

No, I don’t care about the smoke and mirrors stuff. I just want a utilitarian eurorack reverb that can do a decent room and is fairly up to date in its algorithms with basic cv control over early reflections. Like I said, dense early reflections complement west coast sounds better than spring or delay taps etc. Likewise an algorithm that can preserve stereo image in a naturalistic way would also seem to complement X-PAN, QPAS, especially Morphagene, and to a lesser extent Mimeophon.

Making a decent room simulation is not an expensive DSP proposition if they can do Mimeophon. All this technology is 90s to early 2000s. That’s not studio effects trickery, but basic shit, if you’re not a luddite.

#704

You seem to have at least one specific application in mind and that might be worth exploring on your own. If you can make a compelling example using software, you might find Igorr of Happy Nerding to be receptive to working out an implementation.

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#705

While I can understand the manuals for reverb designs (where I got this info), I don’t know how to do DSP programming, but thank you for the good faith suggestion. I would contact him, but have nothing to offer except my opinion.

For me it’s very simple, though, and seems to be the case for some people above. If Make Noise is going in direction of stereo signal processing with all these new modules / Tape & Microsound system, then they should have a stereo reverb that can handle this signal path. They already have a newer delay, so it’s only natural they do a newer reverb, preferably one that can sound like a real or virtual space, i.e. up-to-date algorithms with dense early reflections.

In a similar fashion, studios went from slapback to dual H910s then the PCM 42/H3000 era, and plate to Lexicon, TC, Bricasti. They went mono to increasingly sophisticated stereo.

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#706

I’m sure they could do it, but it just doesn’t seem very likely considering how anti-reverb Tom Erbe apparently is, and the reverb-esque options between mimeophon and erbe-verb. MN doesn’t strike me as a company that says to itself, “okay now we need to fill out our line with a decent room simulation”. Seems more likely they’ll try to do something new next rather than retread reverb ground…

It will be interesting to see if they keep doing stereo now that the Tape and Microsound system is complete or if they do some new mono modules…

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#707

I’m not suggesting you prototype the DSP. I’m suggesting you document and record a demonstration (with a software plugin) of the sort of thing you have in mind with regard to
“dense early reflections complement west coast sounds better than spring or delay taps etc” that you apparently cannot find in hardware.

Both Happy Nerding and TipTop have extensive reverb algorithm collections. You may find what you want already exists there.

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#708

I assume a stereo reverb from Make Noise won’t be a Erbe-verb MKII in the same way that the Mimeophon is not a stereo Echophon.

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#709

I don’t think it’s reasonable to think that Make Noise do not look at what’s already present in the space. There are different kind of reverbs in and out of the box.
I think they manage to differ from the rest a lot of the times. So end of chain reverb use case seems unlikely and also not very interesting.

#710

Exactly. I’m only making a suggestion for true stereo and early reflections and anything colorful/creative is only a plus. I love Mimeophon (except the noise gating). They modularized past reverb components with Erbe already, only really missing true stereo and separate (and preferably dense) early reflection control. The other two being more recent technical innovations of reverb modeling follow naturally.

#711

Understood, that’s easier. Not early reflection control, and not dense, as far as I can see/hear.

renegog, I’m not suggesting they become less creative. Or produce an end of chain effect, kveye.

I don’t mean “room” as such, I mean room algorithm in a broader sense - any simulated stereo acoustic soundstage/space that can be manipulated.

In the same way Morphagene is naturalistic on a basic level, but then can become something else entirely.

#712

I thought the power jacks were non-standard but indeed they are, and I happen to have the same Strymon cable, and it is now being happily daisy-chained off of my Pod! My friend, you have freed up a spot on my power strip, and that’s worth its weight in gold :slight_smile:

#713

There was a prototype of Erbe-Verb that had two inputs, though they weren’t explicitly labeled as L [MONO] and R like Make Noise’s other stereo modules.

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It looks mostly the same, except a few parameter controls moved around in the final version of the module. As far as the second IN on the prototype, @ebremot had this to say about it on another forum:

it’ll be mono in and stereo out. there may be an alternate input, but that’s for something a bit experimental which may not pan out…

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