#231

One potential thing that might be happening, although I don’t know, is that you’re running into an analog vs digital design difference. A voltage into Mangrove’s pitch input literally controls a circuit that pitches the Mangrove’s output, but a voltage into Just Friends’ time input is run through an analog-to-digital converter, and then affecting the computation that way.

This digital implementation usually means there’s some clipping of the allowable voltages into the input, so what I suspect is this: transposing up 5 octaves (which is… a lot of octaves) means adding 5 volts to the pitch CV. This might cause some of the note voltages you’re outputting from O_c to exceed the maximum allowed input into Just Friends, which appears to be “clipping” the voltage to that maximum, thus giving you your doubled pitches. Since Mangrove has no such voltage clipping, it responds more how you’d expect.

That’s my guess anyway.

#232

Totaly logical yes, just that it starts to happen at +2 allready… wich is worrying if i cant get it right.

#233

hmmm… well, adding two octaves is relative, right? if you’re adding two octaves to a note that’s already at the top of the piano, you’re gonna run out of piano much faster.

ETA: So, check the note values the O_c is putting out before adding the octaves—if they’re really high already, then maybe they won’t transpose well.

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#234

Yep that will be it! Thanks so much alanza:)

I just dont know how to adjust to this limitation. Makes my heart heavy to let mangrove go wich i needed to do to fund JF.

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#235

Yep dragged down all high notes quite a lot and got 1 octave more so this is indeed the issue.

Damn mangrove sounds sweet. But the sound ranges of JF are priceless aswell…so i ll somehow adjust

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#236

I don’t know if this will be helpful for you but there is an alternative slow version of the firmware, which might help you if you’re trying to transpose that many octaves… Not sure but worth a try.

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#237

Aaaah i read about it but thought its only relevant for lfos and envelops…but thinking of it that means sound in JF universe of course.

So this would kind of tame it, slow it down and should help wider transposition range? That d be great

#238

It’s also worth noting, of course, that you can always compensate for lowering notes on the O_c by turning up the Time knob on Just Friends.

I don’t think 3.0.4_slow would really change the behavior much, although it might change the range of the Time knob.

#239

Honestly I’m not sure, it might be similarly constrained with a lower range but I figured it could be worth a shot. I would test it for you but I haven’t took the time to update mine to the slow version cuz I’m laaaaaaazzzzyyyyyy :sunglasses:

#240

Thats what i expected too but no, the pitch range on the JF itself didnt change this issue.
Its probably as you said, classical vco tracking vs AD converted.
I just didnt expect such difference

#241

About the whole sequence transposing, its not my usual go but i feel a bit alarmed now to always see how high and low i can play it. But i am new to cv sequencing too so that adds up.
More fun than midi for sure!

The most interesting sounds of both mannequins modules are in an even more limited range as i noticed. I think my fav sound on mangrove could only go over 5-6 notes. I kind of understand it, its probably the price for that fruits inbetwen between

#242

Just Friends’ TIME input jack accepts voltages from -2v to +5v. That’s 7 octaves-- same as a piano. You’ll need to set the TIME knob to an appropriate position so that your CV sequence doesn’t push beyond this (it will clip at the voltage limit and cause the ‘missed’ notes as you describe).

Regarding the Just Friends’ video @11mins, please note the module is in sound/transient mode (not sound/cycle), hence the leds being off. In this mode one can send the output of an oscillator (at audio rate) to create those subharmonic divisions as shown.

Using the ‘slow’ firmware will not help, and the current firmware we’re shipping on units is 3.0.5 which is very much closer to the ‘slow’ behaviour.

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#243

Thanks for chiming in and explaining!
Yep i got it kinda. I am probably 50% confused by the layout of the sequencer and seing clearly how to go from a root C on both JF and OC to have the highest range up and down and the most logical / classical composition blank paper.

However i successfully made Just Friends play Piano chords yesterday with the help of the envelope spitting sequins and an Lpg. Amazing tones really!! Love this little artifact
Will try to record a lil bit of the patch later to post here

#244

Oh… -2 to 5v

Could it be that the output of around -3 to 3v of my O_c adds to my confusions about how JF tracks a sequence? While mangrove could play the sequence differently probably accepting another voltage range?

#245

Just wated to state that most of my confusion came from the sequencer. Plugging in a v8 keyboard source and all is fine and logical. I am just not ready for complex sequencers but thats fine.
And oh boy… Just Friends is an awesome soundsource
I managed so far:
Awesome unison Basses
Synth Harp/sichords
Pianoesque dampened
Multi „drawbar“ organ (i can only dream about how crazy this would be with just type)

No flute like sounds so far. And inbetween always get this, oh damn this sounds like 90s trance music sounds…i guess saws. But it pays of to experiment and wiggle. Just that now i really lust for the Sisters to fine shape the soundscapes.

The intone jack is powerful!

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#246

I’d love to see some photos of patches!

#247

Really nothing crazy…,and well the harpsi wasnt that great, more like tried to find sweet spots from where to move on. Probably should make notes next time.
Basically most of em had Gates or other cv to Intone (sometimes to curve) 3 individual outs of changing order. Always re patching to see if in one „chord“ it sounds off/weird to try other voice combinations…often a patch that wont sound nice will work in a different output combination. I think with more than 3 it gets more difficult. 2 works great. If in this repatching voices habit you really easily come accros organlike artifacts. Quite convincing in terms of transistor organs for me. Much better than many cheesy synth organs from the 70s

If you have a good (worked with bassy sounds for me) „chord“ with intone on max, than (i think the gate from v/oct source) into intone and dial intone back to around 11 o clock you get the defined bass of intone at max earlier plus the chords of higher notes (from for example the upper 3 outs)

No chance without attenuator/mixer.

And this is noway a tutorial as its possible i do some things very idiotic and still find my sounds while a better understanding of the module would for example archieve the same with less.

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#248

Oh there were even some kind of self appregio. I think with either gate/lfo/ or vco patched in curve. But not sure anymore.

Just saying i wont need any other oscillator for a long time. But got myself the intellijel 6 to 1 mixer

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#249

Sorry for such a basic question, but would a bare bones 2hp unity mixer (like this one from Intellijel clean up the six outs of JF in sound mode compared to the Mix output? Or is a small mixer with attenuators (like the Bastl ABC) needed/desirable enough to justify more hp in a small system? I using a Cold Mac for this purpose right now, but having it function as a simple mixer is deterring deeper exploration of what CM can do every time I have JF in sound mode.

#250

Just Friends (like all Mannequins modules AFAIK) does support passive mixing, i.e. if I take stackcables out from the three outputs I would like into one input, it just works.

that said, yes, mixing outputs this way or using other modules works well for me as compared with the Mix out.

also, I would consult the manual for the Unity mixer, but the “Unity” might refer to the module literally just providing summing, which would mean you’d quickly get clipping / extreme volumes.

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