#373
  1. in shape, time controls the overall speed of all 6 of the envelopes / LFOs. Since using any of the trigger inputs will reset my shape once it finishes (for transient) or regardless (for cycle), you don’t have to feed time anything, just adjust it so that you get enough modulation in between triggers.
  2. if you put in a steady trigger into 6n, time is like adjusting CV into both on Maths; it’s saying “IF intone is at noon, all of my envelopes will take such and such amount of time to finish”, so turning the time knob CW will speed up the envelopes—but not the rate of triggering, and turning it CCW will slow them down, and if you’re in transient mode, eventually you’ll see triggers being dropped because the envelope is still in motion.
  3. I generally like attenuating them if I’m patching with any seriousness. It is unfortunate that Three Sisters only has the FM attenuverter.
  4. Maybe try patching two outputs to Three Sisters—one to freq or fm, and the other to span. See what happens if you feed the channels of Just Friends the same triggers and move the knobs. use the all inputs and outputs on Three Sisters and see if you can hear the effect of the two related envelopes on the timbre and how that shifts.
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#375

Correct, and if you plug something in 4, the inputs 3-1 will be normalized to 4 :slight_smile:

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#376

yes, that’s right!! and you’ve hit the nail on the head—modulating intone is a real rabbit hole. The knob works slightly differently to how you wrote though. Identity will always match the setting given by time, while the other channels will shift. For example intone full CCW will make 6n move six times slower than identity while full CW will make it move six times faster, and of course in-between values of knob or CV will give in-between speeds, crossing over from slower to faster than identity at noon.

(the 2, 3, 4 times slower perspective when CCW totally makes the choice to name them 2n, 3n, 4n etc make much more sense. I had been thinking of them as 1/2, 1/3, 1/4 instead and been annoyed by the naming. [/totally irrelevant side-thought]) :rofl:

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#377

A random question here… can Just Friends be used as an envelope follower? I’ve done this with Maths before but wasn’t crazy with the results. Maybe Just Friends can do it better?

#379

Just friends is not a slew limiter so it wouldn’t be possible. Cold Mac can but the following is gonna be fixed.

Adjusting settings on maths can give faster or slower following, so that would be the most flexible option.

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#381

Just friends can be used as an envelope follower by using STRATA (one of the run modes - Shape/Sustain with a cable plugged into the RUN jack).

Plug your voltage to follow into the RUN jack. Hold all Triggers high (e.g. a gate into 6n). The RUN jack in STRATA sets the sustain level for an ADSR envelope… however if you are holding the gates high, the sustain level will continuously adjust according to the RUN jack voltage. The settings for each envelope (TIME, INTONE, RAMP, CURVE) will determine how the voltage is tracked… so you can actually have 6 voltage followers with different time constants!

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#382

oh wow, brilliant! I’ll have to try this myself to see what the response is like

#383

You just broke my brain :open_mouth: Depending on what you put in the run input it’s a very creative way to use run mode! Curious to see how this respond to bipolar vs unipolar voltages

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#384

Yeah it’s not exactly a slew limiter because the run jack range (-5,5) gets remapped to JF’s envelope’s range (0,8).

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#385

Amazing! I knew it! Thank you

#386

Stumbled upon an amazingly playable patch for Plume + Meadowphysics (Ansible version for this example):

4 voice mode
TR 1-4 into Identity-4n respectively
CV 1 into Time

Deceptively simple on the surface, but the magic happens when you start setting a couple channels in Meadowphysics to output gates rather than triggers :heart_eyes:

Wonderful balance of intuition and chance, definitely gonna put some practice hours into this.

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#387

just patched this up and it is way too fun. thanks for this!

EDIT: here’s a clip using this patch concept by @kbit , along with sisters, and some modulation by new Tides…oh and heaping amounts of delay and OTO BAM.

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#388

Damn, that was quick, and also dope! Interesting to hear the similarities/differences between our patches.

Also, Chester County?! If you’re ever in Philly and wanna hang hit me up :sunglasses:

#390

Uhhh yeah I second that, holy fucking shit.

#391

Yeah, seriously fun. I had a blast sending one of the Meadowphysics gates to a Teletype input set to modulate JF’s run voltage (JF.RUN V RRAND -5 5).

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#392

I know it’s not the normal behavior, but has anyone figured out a way to get re-triggering to work before an envelope has finished? I’ve tried all sorts of values into RUN in shape/sustain mode, but I can’t seem to get anything, but I’ve seen references to this possibility?

#393

yep, you want shift mode (shape/transient). From the manual:

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#394

FYI there is a bug in the current firmware where the retrigger point set by the RUN voltage is not mapped correctly from 0v to 5v. It should continuously morph from End of Cycle to End of Rise from 0v to 5v, but it actually does the opposite. So from -5v to 0v is Always to EOR as you would expect, but then 0v to 5v is EOC to EOR.

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#395

Ah, maybe that’s where I’m getting confused, because then I lose sustain ability right? I’m trying to figure a way to use Just Friends as my main envelope generator when playing notes from my keyboard, so I’d still need it to sustain on gates.

Also, waiting until end-of-rise might still be too long for keyboard playing :thinking:

#396

If you’re in shape/sustain mode (not RUN), the envelope will retrigger if it’s currently falling, though it won’t reset to 0V first, instead it will turn around and rise again from wherever it is. There’s currently no solution in JF for an ASR envelope (shape/sustain) which jumps to 0v on retriggers if that’s what you’re after.

There is also no mode that runs the complete envelope (like shape/transient) but also holds high during a gate if present. You’ll want a Serge DUSG for that!

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