#502

The work around I found for controlling Just Friends via Midi, is midi > ansible > Txi > teletype > jf.
Theres no direct way to get midi values from ansible to just friends, but if you send the cv values out of ansible and into the Telexi expander Teletype can read those values and control JF pitch.

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#503

I’ve loved JF since the moment I got it in my rack, and the more I get to know it, the more I fear I’ll eventually end up with a bloody Teletype! I didn’t even know what it was at the start, full of mystery that it is, but the walls are starting to break down with it and I’m slowly sussing it out (whilst realising I should definitely have the thing). The scripts aspect totally put me off at the start, as I thought you needed to be a proper code nut to get into it. Appears not so much though, fair play to them.

That is, of course, whenever they are back in stock - they seems to sell out quick!

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#504

Hey friends,
Picked up a used just friends,
With silver clouds and no emoji stickers so I’m assuming that the run jack upgrade hasn’t been done?
Gonna send an email to the folks in NY tonite for some info on the upgrade, but before I do does anyone know if there’s any other indicator on whether I can patch into the run jack without frying something ?

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#505

Check the resistance between tip and switch on the jack (top and bottom pins) - if its continuous (0R) then it has not been done. If it is about 6.7k or thereabouts then it’s been done.

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#506

Bless you and your knowledge! Will check this shortly!

#507

So now we have the new MI Tides for a while… How do people look towards the Just friends vs Tides discusion? The new Tides has a’lot more similarities now it has multiple outs and modes. At this moment i have a new Tides and old Tides but i’m using both more as a oscillator. Now i’m thinking of expanding with some mannequins modules but i’m scared they touch each other to much.

#508

I have had the full range of Mannequins modules for about a year now and they’re by far my favourite modules, in the collection of eurorack that I own. Just Friends sits right on top of all that as one of my favourite modules of all. So much so, that I’m considering a second. I can’t say that I know too much about Tides but mercurial modules such as these will always have overlap in functionality, however, I definitely see that as a blessing. The second JF that I’m considering is due to the fact that I wish to use one as an oscillator and a second as modulation.

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#509

A big difference is that Just Friends has separate trigger inputs, so is a lot more useful to use as envelopes.

I’ve just pre-ordered a Mimeophon, have a Tides and Just Friends, and my Tides is the one that will be going to make space.

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#511

Thx for the answers. One thing i forgot to ask is how Just friends handles fm. So Tides can have FM but once it goes to high in frequency the waves are starting to break up in a digital fashion. This is why Tides is a better modulator then a carrier. How is this case with just friends? Is it a better carrier then Tides is?

Edit on the last answer: i already have a Three sisters as my first Mannequins module that’s why im hungry for more and started to think of Just friends instead of Tides (while i actualy really like Tides)

#512

Just Friends as an oscillator embraces delicious digital grease by design; in some settings there will always be “digital-sounding” aspects to the tone, although it can also be quite clean.

Since it’s a digital module, there’s definitely a limitation on how quickly the FM input can sample. I had a quick scrollthrough on the Just Friends Technical Map, but I didn’t find any clarity on an upper end for FM frequency. That said, I’ve been quite impressed by how well the trigger-inputs can track high-frequency waves, so I’d imagine the top end is higher than Tides’s. (Maybe @voidstar knows?)

It’s also worth pointing out that in floom and synthesis modes, Just Friends comes with an alternate approach to (linear) FM: the module itself provides the modulator wave, while CV input sets the ratio and the index (amount).

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#513

One thing that can be an issue from time to time as a traditional envelope is the re-triggering behavior. That can be part of its charm at the same time, especially the way the triggers cascade and create different patterns.

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#514

@Jonny FWIW you can change the transient mode retrigger behavior by plugging a cable into the RUN jack, which activates SHIFT mode; the RUN voltage controls the point where refrigerators are accepted. -5V=always, 0V=after EOR, and +5V=after EOC) ie normal transient mode retrigger behavior).

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#515

I can’t comment on Tides as I’m not familiar with it’s firmware, though I’m sure someone could go peek in the GitHub repo for it to confirm the SR. JF has different sampling rates for the FM input (super high resolution) and the trigger inputs (slightly lower resolution). The only time where this might be noticeable would be when using a high frequency external oscillator clock source to trigger MANGROVE-style impulse trains or sync sounds in sound modes via the TRIGGER inputs. Having said that, I think the characteristic of the digitized clock stream is actually very unique and musical in a gritty, industrial, rhythmically glitchy way, and is one of my favorite things to explore!

Similar to FLOOM mode providing internal FM-modulators, SPILL uses IDENTITY’s EOC pulse as an internal trigger source for the other oscillators (with retriggering controlled by the RUN voltage a-la shift). When INTONE is CW, this results in Mangrove-style impulse trains, and when it is CCW it results in typical sync sounds.

Edit: as always, I recommend exploring the possibilities sonically as the #1 way of getting a better sense! FWIW I have never noticed any issues with HF FM modulation.

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#516

Hi there everyone, I was thinking it would be great to have portamento on Just Types each voice
Is this possible in any way? :slight_smile:

Greetings,
:slight_smile:

#517

you could do something weird by altering JF.TUNE very quickly in a Metro script. Otherwise I don’t know of any plans to expand Just Type

#518

It would be a very nice feature :slight_smile:

#519

I am struggling to comprehend the odd behaviour of my JF in Volley mode (Shape+Cycle). When triggering either of the inputs there’s a loud spike in the output voltage like a very short envelope before the cycle proceeds. I suspect this spike takes place when I’m triggering the cycle while the previous one is on its highest peak so the voltages somehow summ and consequently I get this unpleasant clip. Unfortunately I don’t have any measuring tool to back my words, so maybe someone can confirm my calculations? I would also appreciate any advice on how to avoid such behavior, given I really like this mode and want to use it more.

#520

What do you think, is it good idea to have two Just friends? Right now it’s my absolute favourite of a module.

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#521

Yes, especially if you have a Teletype sitting in between them.

#522

Ah if only we could separately address two JF units with teletype, I would buy another.