#748

Thanks so much for the response, this was really helpful. Seems like Ansible+Grid could do a lot of what I am aiming for here with JF, and perhaps offer a more immediately expressive introduction to the Monome world. I did have a follow-up:

Would the sequencing from Ansible to JF be able to be done entirely through the ii, and leave the additional CV/TRIG outs to be distributed across the rest of the system?

#749

You will only every get four voices of sequencing. However, you can easily configure each channel to trigger JF or not to trigger JF. Further, Kria is so deep – the first four track sequence you make on Kria you could almost certainly duplicate using just one or two tracks once you know what you’re doing, and then those other two CV outs are free to go wherever. In an 84 HP 6u I’d be honestly staggered if you’ve got more than two sound sources in addition to JF.

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#750

Have loquelic, looking to add a mangrove or two and a granular voice, so definitely don’t need six voices in terms of using JF as an EG.

I was referring to Just Type synthesis mode. It does seem teletype would allow for a full 6 voice sequence with individual pitch/velocity, whereas with Ansible as I understand the limitation would be 4 voice poly (which isn’t much of a limitation for euro). Regardless, these are case uses either way and definitely have a lot to consider.

In the mean time, I spent a couple hours doing some pseudo poly triads with O_C sequins and had a blast… So much potential with this thing.

#751

Sorry if my wording was off – I mean you can’t use I2C to ‘cheat’ and get more than four channels from Ansible. That’s all.

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#752

Just seen on Instagram::

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#753

patch cables back in stock :upside_down_face:

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#754

Hopefully this means the same for the mangrove/3s…

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#755

Quick, put your Just Friends up on Reverb for $1,200 while you still can!

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#756

At least 20 characters of I hope so :pray:t2:

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#757

Seeing as we may be nearing JF being back in stock, I am considering swapping Tides 2 for one. I tried searching through forums for differences between both and surprisingly did not find much besides JF having individual trigger inputs (which I am interested in), no attenuverters, and 6 outputs.

Would anyone with experience with both be willing to educate me on any differences that pulled you one way or the other?

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#758

I’ll be the inevitable voice that says ‘I have both and both are great’ :sweat_smile:

But if I had to choose, I’d say:

  • In favor or Tides, you get a PLL, and a more comprehensible/predictable/easier to control interface. Also cheaper. I wouldn’t underestimate the importance of the ease of use of the interface, many people find JF quite cryptic (some people like it this way, others don’t).

  • In favor of JF, besides what you already mentioned, all the I2C capabilities are amazing if you have teletype, crow or ansible. This alone would make me choose JF, if you are already in the monome ecosystem.

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#759

Thanks for this breakdown!

I am not currently in the monome ecosystem, but it does look very cool from afar. I def agree with the importance of a playable and comprehensible UI, so I’ll for sure consider that.

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#760

I have both and cant pick a favorite over the other. They are both in my 84hp 7u case. Tides2 is more easier to use in my eyes. It has different modes but the modes aren’t that different from each other. Im not a big fan for the JF run modes(except the sustain/shape one :slight_smile: ) but it has the 6 trigger inputs and the whole i2c connection. I like tides oscilator more if im not using i2c on JF. I love to use just friends as a poly synth through crow. But that add cost to JF. For the price of JF and crow you can buy 3 tides2. I think the only answer here is both if you can afford the space. Ow and don’t forget the filtering/wavefolding on tides.

Bottomline: They are the most similar modules to each other but still so different.

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#761

Tides v2 has no PLL mode. PLL mode in the initial Tides was pretty great, but that module was less comparable to JF. It does, in fact, retain the PLL mode.

#762

It does: https://mutable-instruments.net/modules/tides/

I’ve used it with other oscillators and it works great in my experience :slight_smile: I think the main thing that was left out in the revision was the ‘freeze’, and of course the great alternative firmwares.

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#763

Interesting, I thought it was scrapped. Thanks for pointing that out, I’ll edit my comment.

The fm input was left out as well.

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#764

The cv that goes through the attenuverter to the frequency knob is the fm input now. It’s still there. only a bit smaller :slight_smile: Ow and it is a finetune control when you don’t have any jack inserted.

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#765

For those who use Just Type or I2C with JF thru crow/Ansible, how often are you utilizing synthesis/geode modes compared to the native firmware? Is anyone primarily using the I2C capabilities?

#766

I primarily control JF over i2c, either using Kria on Ansible or some of my favorite M4L sequencers via crow. It’s really amazing. I have the six individual voice outputs routed into a mixer so I can customize the stereo field.

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#767

Thanks for your input! It seems like Tides might be the best fit for my 60hp 6u system.

I’ll wait to compliment it with Mangrove and Three Sisters.

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