Mannequins W/ (with)

[TomWhitwell]

Unfortunately many toggle switches push in like that, but without any electrical connection

[garethlyons]

Ah yeah… Wishful thinking on my part i guess

[ppqq]

OK, lots of reboots and looking ahead in the Izzy script above I got further. (The trick was to jump right to overwriting). Now I’m stuck at:

now, flick up to add a second cue point. this cue is the end of the loop.

which I’ve now heard so many times I think I’m losing my mind. Flick ups not registering.

Sound familiar to anyone?

[garethlyons]

Did izzy ask you hold Loop and press record to enter cue mode?

To exit cue mode can be a bit tricky first time you try it also. Holding Play to audition, while holding play down down on the switch and release play.

[dan_derks]

just a heads up as we discuss tutorial izzy – IRL izzy prefers they/them pronouns.

[ppqq]

Did they tell you hold Loop and press record to enter cur mode?

No. If I do the “hit record to overdub this” I just get stuck in my loop and Izzy never comes back. If I got right to l+r I get further but inevitably get stuck further on. Most recently, at

nice! you’ve got the basics down and you’re almost ready to play w/. let’s switch to live mode. while auditioning, hold down then release play.

which is now in a state where I need to hold play to hear it… but then how do I “hold down then release play”?

Two quick thoughts:

1. maybe we should break out a separate thread for tutorial debugging

and

2. is there any way to switch to a tape w/o completing Izzy? I’d really love to just move on at this point…

Cheers @izzy!

[Justmat]

Auditioning is holding Play in Cue mode. So, while holding Play, hold Down (on the toggle), then release Play.(?)

Edit: the language is a bit vague I guess.

[ppqq]

Auditioning is holding Play in Cue mode. So, while holding Play, hold Down (on the toggle), then release Play.

OMG. This.

If I could star this a hundred times I would. Thank you!

Achievement unlocked.

Edit: the language is a bit vague I guess.

Exactly right. At least for me. Grokking the manual would help here but who bothers with those!

Cheers @Justmat

First rounds on me!

[Justmat]

20 characters of YAY!!!

[Justmat]

1. hey, i’m stuck looping!
   press Loop.
2. phew, thanks for sticking w/. let’s move around. stop the tape and hold up to fast forward.
   press Play, then hold Up (on the toggle)
3. now, rewind.
   hold Down (on the toggle)
4. press play.
   wut they said.
5. speed up by holding play and flicking up.
   hold Play, flick Up (on the Toggle)
6. now, my speed and pitch are doubled. how do you cut my speed and pitch in half?
   hold Play, flick Down (on the toggle)
7. phew, that was exhausting! time’s arrow goes both ways. hold down and press play.
   hold Down (on the toggle) and press Play
8. so, how do you record with w/? plug a sound source into IN.
   plug a source into IN
9. hit record to overdub this.
   press Record
10. to overwrite, hold record and flick down.
    hold Record, flick Down (on the toggle)
11. how do you loop? during playback, flick down to add a cue point. this is the start of the loop.
    while playing, flick Down (on the toggle)
12. now, flick up to add a second cue point. this cue is the end of the loop.
    flick Up (on the toggle)
13. stop the tape. hold loop and press record to enter cue mode then press play to audition.
    press Play. press Loop + Record. this is Cue mode. press Play to audition.
14. move this cue by holding up.
    hold Up (on the toggle)
15. press record to save the cue at its new location.
    press Record
16. nice! you’ve got the basics down and you’re almost ready to play w/. let’s switch to live mode. while auditioning, hold down then release play.
    press Play + flick Down (on the toggle), release Play
17. navigate to the next cue by holding loop and flicking up.
    hold Loop + flick Up (on the toggle)

I have to say that I am not in front of my synth right now, so this could be wrong. Please let me know/ correct me and I will fix it.

[mlogger]

thanks for that, i wish you posted this earllier - i managed to stumble through the tutorial. I got stuck in the same places as others posted. I managed to finish the tutorial, totally by luck, not by judgement.

The tutorial is a nice idea but simply doesn’t work the way a tutorial is intended to work. Its trying to be too clever. All i learned was how to swear more. tbh it should be removed from future modules.

[Abarsotti]

Can anyone better explain how to delete cues? The way I read it in the manual is that you go into cue mode and press l to delete the current cue and return to nav mode but that doesn’t seem to be the case. I seem to have a bunch of cues all over parts of my tape that I’d like to get rid of because they’re conflicting with the recording I’m trying to loop with.

[marcus_fischer]

I had that same thing happen to me last week. It was very confusing because it seemed to come from out of nowhere.

[Starthief]

It’s a mistake in the manual – R will delete a cue when you’re on one, or save a new cue position when you’re not.

I had all kinds of trouble with my W/ this evening – mostly the weird glitchy noise thing, but also crashing (with all lights off) after attempting to switch tapes, and failing to record. In the process I learned the hard lesson about Teletype scenes not saving through a power cycle – fortunately the hard part was already in a scene I’d saved.

I perservered and got it going, but it was frustrating enough that I’m hesitant to use it too much until there’s a bug fix available.

[xenus_dad]

now, flick up to add a second cue point. this cue is the end of the loop.

which I’ve now heard so many times I think I’m losing my mind. Flick ups not registering.

Sound familiar to anyone?

I didn’t see this properly answered, but if you start the module up with a cable patched into IN, you’ll get stuck here. You need to leave it unpatched and plug the cable in when asked, so that it recognizes it being plugged in. Otherwise the instructions seem to get out of sync with what actions the module is expecting.

At least, this worked for me when I was repeatedly stuck at this point.

[Abarsotti]

Think my switch has a weak solder joint or something, pressing up works fine but pressing down to rewind or play backwards hasn’t been working well tonight. I saw someone else mention this in here, does anyone know what I should look for to see if this is the case?

Edit: Also @Starthief, so in cue mode I’d just press r correct? When I do that, the orange light above record turns on and the white turns off. After that if I exit cue mode and go back to live it nav the cue is still there. Any idea what I’m doing wrong? Thanks for your help I appreciate it!

[andrew]

I highly recommend downloading Audacity and making it force-open non-audio files. You can get some surprising results. I’ve had particularly good sounds pop out of .exe files.

Non-ironic fact: max7.exe sounds amazing

[Pampalini]

Yes. I have been able to do everything that I intended to, but the frequent bugs make me avoid using W/ when working on actual music. Practically every time I decided to incorporate W/ into my patch I have ended up regretting my decision. Playing around with W/ in isolation though, that’s a goody.

[garethlyons]

I think the tutorial is a great idea I had to go through it a few times to get it properly. Maybe if the steps were also documented in the manual it would help the with the initial head scratching.

[bc3]

Hopefully WM are getting caught up on orders and someone would be considerate enough to simply post a quick update on a time table for a firmware update? Aside from any “bugs” contributing to any confusion in the current firmware, I’m sure that I am not alone in thinking that a “clear tape” and “clear all cues” would be a very requested feature among users?