Max/msp & max4live (the thread)

tehn · 2020-08-26T22:21:58.201Z

yikes, i apologize. i had a residual overreaction to the word “academic”

it’s maybe less pronounced in the last decade or so, but in the early 2000’s there was an incredible divide between the electronic music “academy” vs. the not-in-university experimental music scene ie:

In Cascone’s own words .microsound is a fertile middle ground between “the ivory tower of sterile academia” and “the seizure-inducing din of the dance club”.

i personally find this distinction pretty boring and i believe that time has mostly passed. newsounds.org (previously mostly played midcentury contemporary classical) now has no problem playing xenakis then floating points then laurie spiegel etc.

ps. @zebra and @kelli_cain and bunch of us all first met at THE ACADEMY

eblomquist · 2020-08-26T23:31:24.595Z

If you consider Berklee to be the Academy, I’m still there having just passed 25 years!

There are a lot of incredible people there, students, staff, faculty and administration.

From what I can tell the academy/underground dichotomy has largely eroded…

And I am aware of at least two Berklee alums who are Lines members making fantastic music, @n-So and @ellips_s…

Any other Berklee peeps in here?

Markus · 2020-08-27T20:58:56.187Z

In Germany there are quite a few words related to the point (that I’ve been accused of), Klugscheißer being one of them, which roughly translates to smartshitter. So obviously we have a similar tendency here as well, otherwise those words wouldn’t exist. But I’m done excusing myself for wanting to to KNOW stuff and how it works (plus I’m on vacation and was a little bit tippsy (love that word, German equivalent would be “angeheitert”)
And no need to apologize! Just brought something up

ParanormalPatroler · 2020-08-31T13:16:27.775Z

tehn:

if you want a response from someone known in a field, consider e-mailing, with an introduction and prior research you’ve done. i’m not saying you did this, but asking someone for their patch/program/etc out of nowhere is bad etiquette (though obnoxiously common in today’s internet culture).

lastly, matthew is not an “academic” in the derogatory sense (ie, publishing papers, secretive, elitist)— he’s an educator, musician, and generous programmer. he’s contributed hugely to the monome community, helping foster the spirit of sharing that eventually shaped the lines community.

That’s only fair. I for one just emailed him via his professional page to ask about some background around that Debussy-generator. It is very intriguing and if he’s willing to share some information that would be great; if not, that’s perfectly fine. Nobody is entitled to another person’s hard work. Especially in the modular world we’re pretty spoiled (although I’d be the last person to complain about the beautifully open environment and sharing spirit I’ve witnessed and still witness daily in the online modular world). I just saw his answer on a question posed on his latest YT live-stream and he is obviously generous with his time, and his knowledge.

tyleretters · 2020-09-05T11:45:51.703Z

how might one go about sending midi from max to norns? i got osc working thanks to @neauoire’s tutorials. i feel like i’m missing something with this part (if this is even the right part):

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dan_derks · 2020-09-05T12:20:33.755Z

i think where this ended is a solid approach: Norns — receive OSC notes (from Ableton) (uses m4l to do it). the midi just needs to be transmitted via osc, but @tejomay landed on a really approachable way!

tyleretters · 2020-09-05T12:46:57.419Z

ooo, sweet. i’m trying to make a little quality assurance command center for midi stuff. i don’t (think?) i have any gear that can trigger clock/start/continue/stop messages so i can write a little adaptor with this approach. thank you so much.

shreeswifty · 2020-09-05T15:35:40.929Z

this is very true. If you would like more Stretta work and examples look for his Ableton 9 inspirations and Beap work which can easily become M4Ls

shreeswifty · 2020-09-05T15:36:43.595Z

also look at Karlheinz Essl’s RTC lib for Max for scales and such that might suit your interest

DMR · 2020-09-06T22:51:38.921Z

Is there a method to define a Max / Max4Live patch via text / code? For example, is the representation of the patch that Max stores documented anywhere? I personally find the visual programming paradigm useful for small utilities, but maddening for larger tools, especially when trying to decipher other people’s patches or usefully re-use ideas.

tyleretters · 2020-09-06T22:55:12.455Z

not to my knowledge. if you crack open a .maxpat it is json but that isn’t too helpful.

abstractions and sub-patchers are the only road to sanity for the big tools.

andrew · 2020-09-06T23:23:58.298Z

the javascript object can interact with quite a lot of max and handle any sort of logical stuff. depending on what you’re doing you could get away with one js object hooked up to a handful of msp objects (or gen~ things, which can be programmed visually or textually, or externals, which are compiled c/c++)

all of my m4l monome things are with this way, it’s suited my workflow better for large projects. even when splitting up processes into externals i have a hard time keeping things tidy, it’s really no comparison to object oriented or functional programming IMO

DMR · 2020-09-07T03:14:47.575Z

thanks @tyleretters and @andrew . It seems it would be possible to create a tool in another language to output the JSON required for a patch, but perhaps not worth the effort considering the other options available.

Rudy_Gerson · 2020-09-16T01:56:50.788Z

Hey could you share the subharmonicon emulator?? I’m thinking of buying and would love to explore

Wannop · 2020-09-21T11:14:15.899Z

@Rudy_Gerson Sure! It’s here.

electret · 2020-10-01T14:33:11.650Z

ppooll website is down, so I made a mirror of the files and added basic usage info. Might copy more If people need/care

GitHub

lctrt/ppooll

mirror of ppooll 8.1. Contribute to lctrt/ppooll development by creating an account on GitHub.

zuliani · 2020-10-11T01:05:12.101Z

Fell down a Max rabbit hole this morning and emerged from it late this afternoon. I was trying to educate myself by building a simple, ARP style sequencer; I had found a nice-looking 16 step trigger sequencer, and after an hour or so had added pitch sliders to each of the steps. Then I thought, well, wouldn’t it be nice to be able to mute some steps? And why not have muting a step black out the fader, too? And how about a reset function? Octave and semitone transpose, too?

And then I got sick of looking at my rat’s nest of cables and objects, and made a nice clean “presentation view”. At this point I realized that the visual footprint of my sequencer was quite similar to my 16n faderbank — and thought, oh, wouldn’t it be excellent to have each of the 16 steps controlled live via midi by the faderbank?

So. Here we are: the 16n faderbank sequencer Max patch.

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Here’s the patch in text format, in case anyone wants to give it a try — you’ll have to set the BPM and pattern length yourself, as it will reset to 0. It also seems like the visual indications for turning off steps take a few clicks to get properly going (sorry).

16n faderbank sequencer patch text


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Which leads me to a couple of questions that I dearly hope someone from this thread more experienced than I might help me with!

Is it possible to modify the sliders so that they don’t output a note while you’re changing their values? The wild fingers-up-and-down-the-keyboard effect is amusing at first, but it’s frustrating not being able to silently change values in a sequence while it plays.
Is there some way to “cook” default presets into the patch so that a new user will open it up to find something workable?

In general I am very eager to learn from the expertise of this board; this thread, and all of your talents, have given me courage to proceed with this stuff. So, thank you for that!

andrew · 2020-10-11T02:49:58.121Z

zuliani:

Is there some way to “cook”

check out autopattr !

also, this presentation view is perhaps the most satisfying thing i’ve ever seen in max

zuliani · 2020-10-11T03:09:00.621Z

Thank you! I’ll absolutely look into that.

And, oh, shucks, thank you so much. It’s been very gratifying working in Max — I’m awful with a soldering iron, and can’t make halfway decent faceplates and enclosures, but in virtual media I’m O.K.

Working on this project has gotten me very excited to make more tools and instruments. So thank you again for the further encouragement!

Chorist · 2020-10-11T18:38:21.886Z

Is it possible to modify the sliders so that they don’t output a note while you’re changing their values?

Yes! Right now you have the slider feeding directly into a number box. Instead, try feeding the slider into the right inlet of just an i box. That will make slider changes simply change the saved number value in the i. Then, have the counter/gate part feed a bang into the left outlet of that same i, to output the saved value from the slider.

If you still want to have a number box there for visual aid or whatever, just put the number box connected to the output of that i.