Max/msp & max4live (the thread)

[_mark]

Here’s a little work in progress all Max composition.

I’ve been building this simple player that triggers fragments of audio files, in sync, and with a tape style play mechanic. There is some simple mixing and then audio goes out to the modular (sisters > magneto > in + morhpagene > in) and back in to Max.

Nice thing is that you can change the sounds easily, and it then becomes a different track through the same organisational system…

[andrew]

nice !! I’ve been meaning 2 build something similar to the sample player. plz share in library

[_mark]

plz share in library

Good idea, will definitely do this. It’s a bit rough around the edges, but simple enough to adapt into other things…

[_mark]

plz share in library

Do you think the best way to just share a .zip of the project?

Here it is as help patch of sorts:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h1bhBtRE7h7z06AQbpNTS6UyZC0QhCn1/view?usp=sharing

Perhaps someone could check it works? I’m curious to know if the sound loads up in the buffer?

Thanks

[rknLA]

Compared to most other audio platforms - including digital, analog, and acoustic instruments - Max has probably the best documentation and educational resources in my opinion.

Maybe in comparison to other audio platforms this is true, but I have to chime in here, if only to provide a sanity check and moral support for other people banging their heads against the wall.

In my experience, Max’s documentation is fantastic until it falls off a cliff. There are plenty of objects with parameters or arguments that are left completely unaddressed, or under-addressed in the help and reference.

I don’t mean to discount the hard work people are putting in to improve the documentation, but if you asked me the single best thing Max could do to improve itself, it would be to make the documentation exhaustively thorough.

All that said, I’m really, really enjoying the flexibility that the Audio Routes examples provide. It’s dramatically simplified a few patches for me and for that I’m very grateful.

[unicity]

Hi! I was wondering if anyone might be able to confirm some weird behavior when it comes to the “Parameter Mode Enable” property for certain objects in Max For Live (Live 10 running Max 8.0.1). I’ve tried on two different Macs running El Capitan (I know) and they both have the same issue.

If you have a moment, can you please try the following:

(1) Create a new MIDI Effect Device.
(2) Add a number object.
(3) Open the inspector for that object and enable the “Parameter Mode Enable” property.
(4) Now disable the “Parameter Mode Enable” property.

As soon as I disable the property, Max will immediately crash on my Macbook Pro, or it will become unresponsive on my Mac Mini. It will also die if I enable that property on more than one object in the patch.

This isn’t just occurring for Number objects. I first ran into this issue when I was trying to store dictionary data within a Live set via pattrstorage.

I checked the Cycling74 forum and I can’t see any mention of this being a confirmed bug…unless I missed something obvious (which is entirely likely).

[unicity]

For the record - I made a similar post on the Cycling 74 forum this morning and did end up getting a reply from someone else who had reported the issue just last week. I guess it’s a bug.

[Nordseele]

Do you know if it’s possible to assign a sample to a cell of a “drum rack” using M4L ?

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Here’s what I’m trying to achieve:
I want to populate the 128 available cells of a “drum rack” with samples randomly picked from one folder and its sub-folders.

Alternate solutions not using M4L:
Create an Automator script that will create folders of 128 samples (list n samples recursively from folder X, and sub folders, randomly select 128 .wav or .aiff from this list, copy these samples to a new folder, and manually load these samples into a drum rack) but this solution is not very effective in terms of storage disk usage).

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Additional thoughts ^^
It’d be great if the Drum Rack used a JSON file or something as a “Map of samples” but if it does, it’s hidden somewhere in the .als file and it’s not editable, or is it possible to edit a drum rack preset (Stored in an .adg ?) or even to create it programmatically ?

Edit => OK, I’ve found this file (uncompress the .adg file of a drum rack preset, it’s a XML) but it’s not really editable… 39000 lines that would need to be re-encoded after etc…

[sns]

I briefly looked into this with one of my student two weeks ago but we havent found a simple way, it doesn’t seem to be possible using M4L as it’s not accessible in the API/LOM (similar topic in the cycling74 forums).
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[Nordseele]

Thank you, ah yes this post on the Cycling 74 forum is similar, I was hoping there’d be a “new” solution introduced in Live 10/Max 8. I guess I’ll just generate some folders of random samples with Automator and load them manually. Or… folders of symlinks or aliases, I’m wondering if that would work on Mac (I’ve read that Live doesn’t like “aliases” and there’s a solution called junction on Win but I haven’t tried on MacOS yet). We’ll see

[L4COUR]

Hey and Merry Christmas everyone!

I have a problem with OSC communication between Max/MSP and ORCA.

I am sending a string message over OSC on address “/b” which I am receiving in Max, However, the string is encoded in Base(36) table, which is what ORCA uses. This means that the “HelloWorld” message I am sending is received in Max as “17 14 21 21 24 32 24 27 21 13”. do any of you know how to convert these numbers to a string in Max that says “HelloWorld”?

So far I have tried using a JS function called .toString(36) which should be able to translate the encoded message. However, I don’t know if this is an efficient way to approach this problem. I thought Max would have a Base(36) table converter like the ASCII or UTF-8 converters, this is however not the case. I hope you guys can help me, Merry Christmas to all of you!

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/28512362/how-do-i-convert-string-to-base36-in-javascript/28512522#28512522

https://github.com/hundredrabbits/Orca

[chapelierfou]

I am not in front of my computer but have you checked [itoa]?

[L4COUR]

I had some help from Italo Lombardo and Rajan Craveri solving this. A simple solution was using itoa combined with vexpr as shown here

A more complex way using the coll + atoi + zl and iter objects. The code below contains both an encoder and decoder of the base36 tabel encryption used for #equipment ORCA

Max Patcher

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[ithkaa]

Here’s a little sequencer I made yesterday. It uses the Collatz conjecture to ‘calculate’ note triggers …

https://www.maxforlive.com/library/device/5903/collatz-sequencer

… having a lot of fun with it and hope you will too!

Happy holidays!

[Nordseele]

Hi
Is it OK to ask questions about Jitter here or is it strictly Max/MSP ? I’m hesitant about starting a new thread dedicated to Jitter related questions but maybe I should… Do you think questions about Jitter (beginner and advanced) should be posted in this thread or do they deserve their own thread? Unless there is already one on Lines and I couldn’t find it ? The community is generally quicker to respond here than on the Cycling74 forum, that’s why I’m asking here before asking beginner questions on the Cycling74 forum…

Thanks

[_mark]

I think jitter questions are fine here.

[ellips_s]

Also if you (or anyone in the future reading this post) do not feel comfortable publicly asking jitter beginner questions, these days I primarily use Max for Jitter and would be happy to answer questions over DMs

[Nordseele]

Thanks @_mark and @ellips_s , I really appreciate

Fortunately, I’ve found a solution today in order to achieve what I wanted to do with Jitter (I’ve read the various object references again and re-watched the excellent tutorials by Armando Gonzales and Federico Foderaro)

(patch posted below).

I was struggling with jit.gl.multiple and I didn’t understand how to assign some individual parameters to a gridshape duplicated by jit.gl.multiple. Now that I understand the concept of jit.matrix and (when to use them) a bit more, that opens up more possibilities. Even after reading the tutorials and watching some great tutorials on Youtube, some things were not really clear, possibly because there are often many ways to achieve the same thing and each tutorial demonstrates a different method.
I’m still experimenting with jit.gen though…

For info, here’s the very basic thing I was trying to do: Creating a grid of shapes, assigning a variable alpha channel to each cell/gridshape

Code

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Now I just have to fill the alpha channels with values stored in a dictionary (instead of using jit.noise for the test) but that should be fairly simple, I’ll do that next year ^^

I will probably have more questions about Jitter and jit.gl.multiple soon…

Thanks again

[petesasqwax]

I’m soon to be upgrading to Live 10 Suite (having never accessed Max in any format before) and I’ve very excited to play with M4L devices,except… I have zero concept of where to even start. I don’t even mean “how do I programme” questions, I mean: I literally don’t understand what the difference between Max, MSP & Max For Live is and whether something created in one environment will run in another.

Essentially I have this very lofty idea whereby the possibly exists to create something along the lines of what the Morphagene is capable of, but using M4L devices - eventually expanding to include more of the functionality offered by the MN Tape & Microsound Music Machine system.

Wayyyyyyy before all of that, though, I need somewhere to start comprehending the differences, similarities and connections between the different forms of Max

[Smapti]

I’m in the same boat - just got Live 10 Suite last week and I’ve started dipping my toe back into Max (I haven’t used it in almost 20 years so it’s basically new to me). One nifty resource is this free pack by Cycling '74:
https://www.ableton.com/en/packs/max-live-building-tools/
Although the website doesn’t mention it, this pack has lots of Max tutorials you can go through inside of Live. I’ve started using them and they’re really handy. There’s more info at this link:

Article: Max for Live Focus: Max for Live Building Tools | Cycling '74