The addition of the digital/keyboard section makes so much more sense after seeing the demo. The way it does midi I/O and arpeggiation makes it a brain with a voice. It also adds just the right amount of open-endedness to what WP can do to push back against imagination fatigue from over-reliance on it’s more obvious behaviors.

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Thanks! I just watched it; super cool. The part where @MengQiMusic was mixing 3 different pinged effects was so inspiring. Also, I love that the instrument is really intentional – the Midi is only pitch, for instance. The restrictions seem to streamline workflow and facilitate more creative experimentation. I’d love to work with one! Though they are a bit large with the addition of the keyboard…

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@MengQiMusic the simple integration of midi without compromising the analog nature of the instrument is a wonderful design choice. Really looking forward to seeing what will be created once this is out in the world.

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How does this work? I only see a live video from superbooth.

You should be able to just drag back on the playbar

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It is a really beautifully thought out instrument. I’m a little disappointed that there won’t be a version without the keyboard as it will be hard for me to fit the keyboard version in my current setup. Also I’m imagining it will be out of my price range with the number of units he’s talking about producing. Still, it sounds incredible and I look forward to seeing some of them out in the world even if it doesn’t make it into my studio.

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I’m disappointed that the production is so limited. I suppose I could hop on some sort of waiting list, but I’m not really interested. Such is the way of a one-person operation though. Probably for the best. I’m intrigued by all things chaotic, but not sure how If I’d be the best person to take advantage of all the wing pinger has to offer. Like other works of art, I’ll admire it from a distance.

I think he said he’s making the first 10 as a way of streamlining production – did he say later in the stream how many he plans to manufacture after that? I would imagine it will be a much higher number, as demand seems to be significant.

I think he said this was a “test run”. Probably to get user feedback and tweak things before doing larger quantities?

He will make more than 10 for sure, but he didn’t say how many - I imagine it’s partially due to demand but also what is realistically for a (mostly) one person operation. Maybe someone who has some experience with small scale production could chime in about what is realistic. Something like the Lyra from Soma started off with pretty small batches and now there are quite a few of them.

When I got to visit Meng Qi’s studio in Beijing one of the interesting things that came up is how hard it is to get parts in China - most of them are marked for export only so you either have to import them again from the U.S. or find a factory who will make something just for you.

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He said that the instrument is done - he’s not getting feedback so much as testing the production process.

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As much as I’d love to know how much it is, there’s a good case to be made for really figuring out how much it costs to make it in an efficient way before he declares the cost. Otherwise the discussion in the marketplace would be some variation of “that’s really good value vs that’s insane vs that’s going to have to do x y and/or z to justify that vs what discounts is he planning”, all of which would build up negative market pressure before he even launched.

All that said, it’s made so much progress since the last demo that it’s almost a little spooky./

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Cannot wait until the Wing Pinger is available, pretty sure it will be worth the wait. Full disclosure: I am working for the European distributor, we have pre ordered around 40 from Meng Qi by now, might up that pre order soon though. I think it is just fair to not talk about pricing yet and I guess that is what the first 10 are for, to see what the main part of work will be.

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I could have sworn he said “10 more” implying very small production runs, as he has done with other projects/ products

This is wild. So totally backwards and frankly rather disturbing to learn.

I have a fair amount of experience in small-scale electronics production — when I’ve designed custom pieces for my clients I make a prototype/proof-of-concept to make sure the thing works, then make a single “finished” unit, and then make a design that’s meant to be mass-produced, which is quite different from making only one of a thing.

To model this, we can think about baking one loaf of bread vs. running a bakery – in a bakery we won’t bake 40 loaves in a row, we’ll bake 40 at once, which is a different (batch) process. Or like, cooking for myself vs. my family vs. catering a wedding.

In this case (my conjecture of course) he’s likely figuring out the most efficient methods (like @bobbcorr said) for each step, how many instruments are realistic to make in a batch (5 or 50 or 250), what the costs are for parts at those quantities, etc. Also, we get faster at assembling things as we learn the best way to put them together. So I usually build a couple and time myself to see how long one build takes, and then maybe a batch of 5 and time that process. Then that gives some insight into what a larger scale production schedule and budget might look like.

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We should wait for @MengQiMusic to chime in on this directly. I was passively watching the stream, but I took the ‘10 units’ to be the test production he’s doing right now. An actual full first run should be able to be increased if needed and I can’t imagine it’ll be anywhere close to 10.

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I don’t think Meng Qi designed this instrument for such a long time to only make 20. I am quite optimistic that the Wing Pinger will be available not only in Europe, USA is not our “turf” for this brand but the usual US shops inquired and probably also placed their preorders with him.

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100% agree. We’re watching a professional at work. From the perspective of someone who used to design products for the mass-market, he’s doing everything right from a comms perspective, and his manufacturing discipline seems spot-on too. I can’t help but think he’s being this careful because he plans to scale.

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What I inferred wasn’t 20 total. I was thinking it would be 10, then 10 more, then 10 more. I could be totally wrong though (probably am).

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I guess only Meng Qi knows. There is so many ways this can be done, sometimes smaller batches are just more sensible.

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