#145

I was a bit confused about the modes at first, it helps to set the WP to cross ping, also the second mode is a bit confusing at first. I would recommend this:
Choose the upper or lower keyboard with the circle, with the square set it to the third mode. Touch two or more different keys, WP will now play these. Ensure to have enough resonance going for the notes to ring.
The second mode is where I am most thrown off still… I also recommend turning not both “Wings” up all the time to get “less crowded” results.
Audio input is still my favourite, especially with additional control over the volume of the input signal, you can get all kinds of results from whispery and eerie to broken sounding distortions (especially with crossmod).
I quite enjoy the fact that the Wing Pinger forces me to practice a bit. Also love doing just beating sines with it as well.
Midi seems to be type A, so for using it with type B trs midi, you can hack a trs cable and switch the signal cables around (did this for use with the polyend tracker).
I still have not used midi out but it should be fun as well.

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#146

Strange, I tried that yesterday (keeping it simple first…) but now the third mode works… :smiley: thanks! ;D

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#147

That was also my experience as I think that the second mode is a bit strange, I am not sure I totally get it. However, if you have cross ping enabled, sometimes you can get really nice trills and reverse sounding things happening while having the other keyboard in a different mode. At least I had this happening once, might have been caused by some additional feedback patching I was doing… nice and mysterious instrument.

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#148

It is full of surprises, I did a slow beat yesterday and listened about 10 minutes to it evolving but staying true to the mood.
It remains a dynamic system in which each part keeps influence.

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#149

the Blippoo Box and the Wing Pinger make for very good friends.
New Year’s noiz session with both of those, Solar 50, Plumbutter 2.
norns running @infinitedigits OOOOOO, @tyleretters Dronecaster and my always goto script… @Justmat MANGL as well as BOUNDS on a shield norns.

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#150

These textures are awesome! How did you do the visuals?

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#151

thanks!
i use a horde of different vid synths for each session…but last night’s was with 2 Structures, Eyesy and an Entrancer.

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#152

Hi! I have a wing pinger “winging” its way to me soon but am a wee bit unsure which power supply I need - could someone please help a man out? I have searched for “12V center positive power suppl, 1A or more is recommended” but still not sure… I am in the UK. Cheers!

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#153

The most common size barrel connector is 5.5mm x 2.1mm, but someone with their WP should confirm. Other than that, I’d recommend a 12V adapter with 2A-3A current–since the WP will just draw whatever it needs. Center (+), but most are going to be wired that way.

#154

I’m using 12v, center positive. Anything 500mA or higher is recommended by Meng. Hovercraft is absolutely correct about barrel size. It’s a wonderful instrument. Hope you create beautiful music with it.

#155

i have been using a RipCord PSU for mine for a couple of weeks now.
i also use a bunch of these for all of my Ciat-Lonbarde noiz weaponry…

you can see the noiz gear here in an excerpt from last night’s noiz session…
https://www.instagram.com/p/CJsrpdWpigI/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

and…here is the full session…

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#156

Thanks everyone! Can’t wait…

#157

so - how much is the WP? lol
I have never seen it for sale and a whole bunch of people in here seem to have them already -
What about the Wingee as well?

MQ always makes such neat stuff -
Do I just need to reach out to him for one?
I was originally just told to sub to his email list - but ive never seen the ability to buy them lol.

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#158

Meng Qi told me that Schneidersladen is the (main?) Wing Pinger retailer, and you can pre-order through them. It sounded like that’s going to be the case for some time. He said Wingie will be distributed much more widely in 2021, and be available at a range of retailers that normally offer his products.

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#159

I think your best bet would be to send him an email and ask about buying one. You’ll probably end up on a waiting list, but (as this thread indicates) there is supposed to be a larger production run coming soon(-ish?).

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#160

sending you the info on the banana version since you are a Ciat-Lonbarde freak. :stuck_out_tongue:
1206.72 Euros

mine arrived surprisingly fast to TX really quickly once it was in stock.

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#161

Without VTA that is (so 1436€ in France for example).

#162

This might just be a frustration question, but why aren’t there any standalone or clear demos of the wingie on its own while it’s now being sold? I can’t pick apart the demos where it’s used with the rotary tetrax or with the wing pinger.

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#163

It’s still new–I don’t think that many are out there yet. It looks like it’s also geared towards processing external signals via the line in or microphones, and that’s what the demos focus on. Actually, they really focus on MQ playing the instruments, and I figure if I’m in for a WP, I might as well get a Wingie–they sound great together–regardless of what each is contributing. Still wondering how it works–maybe a network of resonant bandpass filters that can be shifted/tuned with the buttons? Are the left and right channel Oct. switches for octave shifting? There’s a mix pot–guessing dry/wet, volume, and decay. Wondering if decay is a resonance control?–you’d think a “stereo resonator” would have one, but maybe it generates envelopes triggered by the inputs?

Still a lot of mystery about Wing Pinger too–these esoteric synths are in the spirit of Ciat Lonbarde and similar. Artists will get their hands on them and experiment, and sort out (more or less) how they work. My Wing Pinger is on the way, and I plan to get a Wingie–and will share what I learn.

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#164

Before my WP arrives, I’ve been trying to find as much information as possible about the design. In one video MQ mentions the chip used for the filters as the 2144. It turns out he’s referring to the SSI2144 chip–a 4 pole filter on an IC. The SSI2144 is a modern update of the SSM2044, a filter chip used extensively in the 80’s. The topology is a 4 pole ladder filter, and the original design was by Dave Rossum (using Bob Moog’s ladder topology) .The 2044 was considered one of the best filters available on a chip.

The datasheet has some interesting information on the behavior of the filter and some design applications. As with the Moog ladder filter the frequency band below the cutoff is attenuated with increasing Q, but they suggest a circuit that increases the filter input as the Q is increased. I’d guess MQ has implemented this–you’d want to dial in a high Q without attenuating the pass band too much. Just a guess though.

It would be interesting to know if MQ tested multiple type of filter topologies when he was prototyping the WP. It’s also possible he started with SSI2144 because it’s simpler than building a discrete circuit, and ended up liking the behavior of the filter.

The SSI2144 is used in a few eurorack VCF’s, but I don’t think it’s widely used in modular. When Dave Rossum designed his Evolution filter, he based it on the 1100 filter, an earlier ladder design he’d done. It’s worth reading about the Evolution design, because the SSI2144 has similar characteristics.

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Wing Pinger arrived. Oh my gosh, this is one beautiful instrument. No question, Meng Qi inhabits the instrument like a mischievous spirit.

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