This is a step in an interesting direction. Now if they would make a smaller one…

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Same thing, twice smaller, less channels, and that’s a hard thing to resist. As is, it’s not really the best for solo artists. Also I find the design terrible (as pretty much always with zoom). Hopefuly as Peter puts it, this will become a category.

Zoom mixer/interface/recorders seem super smart. I want a member of this product category that supports multi-channel (quadrophonic, surround, and beyond) audio.

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Interesting! That feature is pretty appealing

This little corner of the Behringer is a masterclass in lean interface design vs the Zoom…
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Came across a guy on reddit who makes custom active matrix mixers. He’s based in Berlin and quoted me 300 eur incl UK shipping for a 4x4 with killswitches, not a bad price for something custom and metal with nice design. He has a flickr and a youtube channel. It’s not a priority purchase for me right now but I figure someone in this thread might potentially be interested!

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More than a masterclass in interface design I think this is a great example of knowing what is important. What I mean is, trying to make something be a thing that it is not usually just ends up creating frustration in the user. The Beringer mixer does not try to make the mixer be a DAW and instead focuses on just doing one thing: recording. Once you have that figured out the rest is a natural consequence, what more do you need to record than a big red button?

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Love his mains-powered giant matrix mixers!

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I know it isn’t a recorder, but the KMI k-mix is a mixer/interface that does multi-channel. No experience with it (yet) though. I feel like a shill because I keep mentioning it to people, but it’s only because I’m super interested in checking one out for myself. :slight_smile:

It does seem to come up repeatedly in these discussions. I didn’t really like my Quneo when I had one, and that’s coloring my perception of KMI products. But maybe k-mix doesn’t suffer from the same issues.

Yeah, I’m kind of on the same page. I’ve liked the KMI stuff I’ve used, but I’ve never loved it. I just feel like I have somewhat less need of built-in recording since with my current set-up I’m pretty bound to my laptop, so I can always just record into my DAW with my interface. For me the KMI (or other mixer/interfaces) are more interesting just as they could replace my current rack-mount interface AND get me more tactile, dedicated physical controls. Typically I just use my Push 2 for those things now, but it’s less direct/immediate since the knobs are modal.

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My Focusrite Scarlett has been giving me problems (or is it the Mac’s USB subsystem? Wish I could tell), and it doesn’t have enough outs. So now I’m thinking about k-mix or MOTU Ultralite AVB (which has a browser-based mixing UI). I wish it were easier to “trial” such things.

Swapped a Scarlett for a Ultralite 4, very happy.

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Yeah, I’m using a Scarlett also, but it’s an 18i20, so I’m pretty good for ins/outs. Haven’t had any issues with it. knock on wood

I think the trial version involves buying it from someplace with a good return policy like Guitar Center or Amazon. :slight_smile:

Not really a mixer as such, but I just picked up one of these
https://www.jdslabs.com/products/177/ol-switcher/

from JDS Labs, a hifi company I hadn’t heard of before that has a nice minimal aesthetic to their products and seemingly a good “reality-based” ethic. (I’m not affiliated.) I’m using it to switch between a turntable and the phones at home. It could just as easily switch / attenuate a couple of things in a live setup.

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That Zoom mixer is actually quite intriguing as it has enough channels to be used in my little studio. The lack of AUX sends was a bit offputting at first, but I reached out to Zoom to check if the 5 headphone outs could be used as sends, and their answer was:

[…] Each headphone output has an individually adjustable mix, so you could use them as aux sends. […]

This could work really well with my incoming 5x5 matrix mixer.

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Though headphone outputs often have a different impedance and in my experience sometimes more problems with noise floor.

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fair point. i’ll probably wait and see what the feedback is once this mixer is actually out and people start using it.

Yeah, that would me my worry too. If there is a way to bypass the headphone amp circuit it could be great mixer though.

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What’s the general opinion on the Mackie vlz mixers here? I would really like to offload some of the mixing work I’m wasting vca’s on at the moment and simplify sending to Octatrack. I’m curious about the EQ’s too, I feel like it would just make me angry looking at all the space taken up by the EQ section in those mixers if they’re garbage.