this sounds great! It’s been fun watching this project evolve :slight_smile:

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Thanks! The sound of the organ is definitely getting me through investing the time to try to figure it all out!

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I would like to share my current ambitious project…
It is not complete yet.
EuRoolz -

After experimenting for a while with the 2-Roll LFO x8 design that I did, and seeing the benefits of the Positive Pulse Out modifications for being utilized as both CV and Trigger generation, I opted to start working on a module based on x3 6-Roolz with the ArpSerge-Assemblage’s in play.

I have made out a Mido generator on a bread board with a 358 and it generates a stable 4.5 ref. for the Verso and Inverso section.


Pictured is the whole power section running on 12v in from an FC Microbus

I am hoping to wrap this up by the end of the month.
Routing is proving to be a pain in the butt because I chose to continue Peter’s Circuit Aesthetic… lol

LMK what you guys and gals think!!

This is essentially a triple VCLFO with the ability to inter-patch the 5-Roll sections with bananas (4mm Bullet Connectors) and the Jack next to the 5-Rolls sections is the 6th Roll (Modified Positive Pulse Out) - the Large Holes are the Pots - and the 6 jacks from top to bottom on the left side are the Verso and Invero Inputs.
All of the standard jacks will be 3.5mm Thonkiconns.

These are basically Plumbutters Roolz… :slight_smile:

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looking for some clarification regarding spikering, perhaps @mlogger might be able to help:

  1. what are the 102’s with the little incomplete lines in the centre:
    Screen Shot 2020-08-14 at 11.04.29 PM

  2. richard pugix brewster hooks a piezo up to the castle symbol, master legend says it’s an output for a speaker or a jack… does it matter?
    Screen Shot 2020-08-14 at 11.10.07 PM

  3. x & y resistors - 10k?

  4. CHAO resistor - 220K?

that’s it, thanks in advance!

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.1μF (104) *** Ignore me - was reading the schem stoned LOL ***

weird - that tends to be a balance Output.
Piezo is usually an icecream cone or a baseball field, however you wanna look at it lol.

X & Y are often variable with different results with different resistance.
Pugix used 10k’s - wouldn’t hurt to experiment - in Rungling - Y is 10k, 22k, 47k, and 100k.

yessir!

Here’s some more info from Martin Freeman about that Spikering circuit, this is gold info and worth mentioning here :

"Spikering looks like sort of a hybrid between the Dogvoice and the Gong.

On the Spikering, check that the filter is working first as that’s a bit easier to grok. The “X” and “Y” resistors are confusing at first, but you can configure them a bunch of different ways:

For variable bandwidth (this is like the Gonzo mode on the Plumbutter Gongs), don’t populate “Y”, but populate the “X” resistor and make it 22K like the other 22K feeding the Transimpedance pin (Pin 1) on the other LM13700 OTA. Realistically, both “X” and the 22K can go as low as maybe 10K for extra range.

For classic variable cutoff frequency, populate “Y” and make it 22K (or see recs above about squeezing more range from the filter). Make “X” 4.7K, but connect one end of it to the PNP collector as per the PCB and the other end to Ground instead of the Transimpedance pin (Pin 16) on the OTA.

For a hybrid of the two, stuff both “X” and “Y”, make sure they’re both at least 10K.

More info about picking resistor values be found in the LM13700 datasheet.

The Pulse Generator is reminiscent of the Dogvoice in some ways. There are two simple high frequency sawtooth oscillators that feed an opamp rigged as a comparator. One has variable frequency and one is fixed (just like in the Dogvoice). The weird configuration of transistors fed by the comparator and another sawtooth oscillator (charged by the delay pot and discharged by the current sink) looks like an old school discrete RTL-style logic gate (I think NAND?). I think the collectors of the bottom too PNPs are pulses that are always opposite one another. So if you have a dual trace oscilloscope, you can see if this is working by observing that those outputs are giving you pulses that are always inverted relative to each other.

Things get weirder because one of the pulse outputs is fed back internally to the variable frequency sawtooth oscillator via the CHAO resistor. The CHAOS pot lets you tune in interference patterns between the two sawtooth oscillators. The node with the symbol will also affect the charge rate of the variable freq sawtooth oscillator."

To bypass the pulser and use as a conventional filter you can fit a switch -> “If you’re trying to use the two sections separately, just lift the leg of the 104 cap that connects to CHAO resistor and wire your jack/switch there.”

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Those dash lines caps are 472 caps.
Those caps are the integrators, meaning that the frequency of the filter is much higher than it should be [if using 102 or 103].

Other mods :
Lower the resistor from the Delay pot from 1M to 470K so that the pot would have an effect.
I followed Richards mods and used 10k for X and Y and also changed the wiper value on the delay pot. All my pots are 10k. I used a TL074 instead of 64. The electrolytics are 10uf.

Here’s the inputs and outputs

I think that Rungler pcb would be the perfect combo with Spikering although it works well with 6 and 5 rolls also but really needs some random CV for pitch

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1: 472’s :slight_smile:

  1. they’re seperate inputs

  2. 10k or 22k

  3. chaos i’ve used 220-470 to good results

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Putting Rungling and the 2-Roll LFO to work :smiley:

Could anyone point me to a thread about direct audio recording? lol - i just use a shitty little speaker and my ipad LOL…

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wow thanks @laihalll, @mlogger & @crucFX! couple more q’s:

  1. 472 cap means 4.7 nF right?

  2. master legend and it looks like the @mlogger insta video above have this:
    Screen Shot 2020-08-15 at 9.39.33 PM
    as the output, jason @mlogger, do you just have a route from your little collection of grounds (what is that green wee box??) running to the jack?

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It’s a hub to make a shared false earth between output and power supply - like this

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This is a handy site for SMD Cap codes - which is what I believe Peter uses for code. but sometimes the numbers don’t match up to suggested values from even himself lololol

http://kiloohm.info/3-digit-capacitor/104

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Yes - http://grathio.com/assets/capacitor_tags.pdf
https://www.justradios.com/uFnFpF.html

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wow…you guys are fast. thanks again

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can’t wait to hear/see it in the wild…

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I bought a SHNTH yesterday from someone on FB!

Very excited for it to arrive :slight_smile:

Will be my first of Peters Instruments!!

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the shnth is a fun little beast
I’ve got some patch packs posted in this thread I think
I believe at least one of my patches even made it to the distribution via PBs website!

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There’s also this thread with @wednesdayayay 's wonderful introductory videos if you haven’t seen them (fish has changed slightly since then but everything should be recognizable) and other discussion! Welcome to the Shnth family lol :slight_smile:

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maybe not what you’re looking for, but the smaller elektron bags are the perfect size for the coco 2 with space above for patch cables/power cords to keep it snug when I travel. fits perfectly in a backpack and padded enough for peace of mind granted I’m not throwing it around.

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I use a pair of Apache cases from Harbor Freight. You can fir a Sidrax & Cocoquantus in a single 3800 case. I face them away from each other (so their pots/switches don’t hit each other) and just lay a thin layer of pluckfoam between them where the wooden backs would touch.

PB2 is too wide to fit in that, but I put that in its own Apache 4800 case.

I also have a little Apache 2800 that I use to carry all my banana cables, power cables, Low-Gain UTL-1, TRS-> dual TS Y-cable adapters, etc.

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