Mobenthey/Ciat-Lonbarde (synthmall) thread

mobenthey users ! (is the thread title misspelled on purpose? if so… that feels on brand lol EDIT: someone fixed it lol) I’m thinking about the denum as a primarily an lfo and stereo attenuator in a small system, can anyone speak to this use – I know it can do LFO range, but curious peoples generally feeling abt using it like that (sidebar: if you FM a square wave LFO with e.g. a triangle LFO, do you get a ratcheting up-and-down gate sequence?). also i think i understand in theory the left-rite dynamic of sending both signals to the side thats higher in amplitude – is that interesting in stereo aurally or is it the kind of thing you just have as two channels mixing to mono down chain?


Wrt the VCAs, I almost always pan the audio which I think fits with the aesthetic of the Ciat instruments like Coco for example which has the audio hard panned. I only mix them down if I can’t help it for some other reason. Having said that, mixed to mono is interesting too - depending on the sound sources and modulation all sorts of happy accidents occur.
I haven’t used Denum in LFO range as I have only had it in one patch that I’ve been using live for some months now. I am using it, unusually, as a 1v/oct sound source. I can get it to track over an octave which is sufficient for the purpose and it has a wonderfully haunted and pained quality to it. I have a tuner plugged into one of the outputs permanently and tune it as I go because of its drift
I’m not sure about your question re FM because you modulate the bounds and bounce and I haven’t had any predictable results which is the beauty really.

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Looking forward to your vids of these!

I’ve been curious about a bunch of them, and did a bunch fo research trying to figure out the early deerhorn paper circuits (back when I made that “Master Legend” document), but never got around to building anything past the ‘first four’ designs.

Fuck yeah, I’ll update the document, though not sure where is a good central repo for it. I think I uploaded the original one to the yahoo group, but that seems dead now.

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very cool! i guess fm is probably the wrong way of thinking about it, cool that it does well within a range i can imagine it sounds quite nice based on the demos i’ve heard ^ _ ^ really enjoying your soundcloud right now! :slight_smile:

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if you are on facebook there is a Ciat Lonbarde paper circuits group and theres a regular Ciat Lonbarde group

Not on Facebook. Could you (re)post the updated one there?

I’ll post it on MW too.


Ok, yes will do. A wise choice, not being on Facebook :slight_smile:


Thanks very much for this info, will definitely give it a go some time :slight_smile:

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Awesome, thanks for the write-up! Very curious about the paper circuits, will have to do some reading on them. Those PCBs look beautiful!

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I was looking at the paper circuits in Osmond and it took me a little bit but I’ve been able to import the gerbers into kiCAD. One useful tip is to make sure to have the right extensions the various board layers


You want to select the board outline, which I’ve found is usually on layer one and cut and paste it onto aux 1. output extension .gm1 so it’s recognized as an edge.cut file

One thing people have pointed out is most of the Osmond layouts are single sided, which many board houses have a minimum 2 layer design rules. You can just duplicate layer 1, and mask 1 and rename them layer 2, mask 2 and add the proper extensions


Has anyone built the deerhorn spyral? I was looking at it in osmond/kicad, and noticed the antenna is made from alternating traces on layer 1, and 2. Output the original file, it creates a kind of star pattern. Traces arranged onto the same layer in kicad, it creates a more continuos spiral:

Is there anyone who’s worked on this who knows which is intended?

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I’ve not worked with those circuits specifically, but in the shnth, you are meant to weave the antenna wire through like that, so I’m guessing it’s a similar idea.

I have another potentially dumb Q for the group:

I’d like to have a signal path that goes Shtar into Cocoquantus into Norns - use a volume pedal for final stereo to PA - but I want to have the ability to turn the delays of the Coco up and down separately from the input level…

I have a Moog Expression pedal (this one: - has anyone had success converting an exp pedal like this into banana and feeding it into the Cocoquantus?

How else could I accomplish this?

i think i did turn a moog exp pedal into banana before but it was years ago and i remember nothing of it. you can definitely hack the moog pedals. they’re just big clunky pcs of plastic.

Maybe there is something I don’t know about the pedal, but wouldn’t it be easier to make a banana-to-jack cable?

these are jack-banana converters like Low-Gain Electronics UTL-2 and UTL-1/2

Discovered the one module I have with which the Dunst’s dust output works really well is the Noise Engineering Ataraxic Translatron, in clock mode. Nice 8bit harsh noise textures. Had interesting results mixing the dust with as continuous clock/trigger from a pulse wave, to go from order to chaos :slight_smile:

Yeah - that’s all I intended to do - I thought it might be a silly Q - just wondering if the expression pedal is sending the CV necessary…

Making my own cable - I’d connect tip of 1/4” to banana?

Yeah jack tip to banana (signal), BUT I guess you also need to take the sleeve to another banana to connect to 0V/ground.

20 chars of indeed !