That really is a fantastic panel!

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WHOOAAAAA guess I’m gonna have to build my own, that is a work of art and looks deep as hell! Can’t wait to hear it in action!

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Thanks! It is definitely an undertaking of a project, but it is a lot of fun if you want to do that. The pugix schematics post is incredibly useful! I’ll share my front panel svg when I get back to my computer

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That would be awesome!

Also I had started a post for your question about the meng qi rollz5 vs plumbutter wondering if it would be as “deep”. I’ve never owned a plumbutter, so I can’t remark on it too much, but I am about to get one in a trade and had done quite a bit of research into it.

Basically I think the plumbutter is Peter’s “ultimate” version of the circuits that make up the rollz5, plus the output mixer, snare drum, sequencer and deer horn. All the circuits that are similar (avdogs, gongs and ultrasounds) have inputs and outputs, cv in and out (and varispeed rollz), and multiple modes. The rollz5 (especially before modding) is much more simplistic in terms of control. You have a few knobs to control select parameters (so pitch is for the most part static) and the circuits are designed to be triggered by the rollz (they are “translators of the rollz signals into different sounds”). But you have twice as many of them as in plumbutter, which allows you to create chords and stuff with the avdogs, and have a bunch of pitched gongs, etc.

Where the “deepness” with the rollz5 lies is the ability to modify and tweak the circuits to what you want (and if you go the paper circuit route instead of meng Qi, choose the overall parts to make it exactly what you want. So you can dive deep into the instrument building process, instead of in the playing process (though if you do tons of input/output mods you could definitely bring that side of experimenting if you want to)

Also as an aside, I will say, for me, the output mixer is non negotiable. I feel like even as I was tweaking values for the output resistors, I could never find the correct value for things to be all the time (especially on the ultrasounds as they vary a lot depending on the rollz you pass. The other mods I did are enhancements but not quite as imperative to me.

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This is very good information, and I think really makes me think that if I’m going to go the rollz route, I’m gonna build it myself. Thank you very much!

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Here’s the panel file:

rollz5_jlmitch5_panel

Here’s the standard meng qi rollz5 pcb superimposed on it in blue to show the additions:


Also, I did a perfboard layout of the output mixer (a 4 channel version instead of two). It’s gonna attach to the back of the pcb with some 2 sided adhesive foam to provide insulation between (still need to wire, did test with my breadboad mixer I have hooked up and I can confirm it works):

DIYLC file (great little perfboard layout tool that works with macOS Catalina btw!)

rollz5_mixer_perfboard.diy (61.4 KB)

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This is beautifully documented, thanks for sharing! And amazing, inspiring work!

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Thank you! This next year I want to try to get a site together so I can share more detailed in-one-place posts for this kind of thing like pugix’s site. This is probably the 10th time I’ve recommended it in the thread, but seriously, his posts exploring how this cl stuff works are the best. this has to be my most visited webpage this year, hah!

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I’ve been considering something similar -
I have been thinking of making a site with all of the ciat-lonbarde and related materials - documented modifications - links to sister sites etc with threads.
but not a forum.

I don’t really do much in the real world… so I pretty much live online and stare at crazy electronic creations -
While at work - when on down time - I design pcb’s. lol.
I manage a vape shop - so sometimes its super dead… lol - get alotta pcb work done.
But yeah - my folders on ciat are getting pretty heavy and i need a good place to dump it all lol.

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So what I’m hearing is, you have the know-how to make a Ciat-Lonbarde instrument with voltage controlled fog?

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While I applaud this endeavour, I’d also advise that some thought is taken into ensuring its permanence. The old Yahoo Groups was a mine of information, but has been deleted due to a corporations whim. In the Lunetta world, a popular forum was abandoned after it became a target for spam bots and the owner didn’t have the time to commit to sorting it out, so closed it.

I’d recommend using Github repositories to host the files and documents. The readme file can be in Markdown and can have links to other files in the repo. It also encourages collaboration and people will clone the repo to their hard-drives in a way they might not if it was hosted on a normal website.

I did the Tetrazzi boards as a Github to try to foster this collaboration. I don’t have a lot of spare time and so I did the modified layout and Gerber files during a wet half-term week while my kids watched films or TV. I had hoped that someone with more time on their hands would get the boards made and have a go at building (and troubleshooting) the circuit. Then, in two years time when I finally get around to building it there might be a proven method to getting it to work! :slight_smile:

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ive been confused by the voltage standards of the current ciat lonbarde instruments for a while now. since the plumbutter has white audio outs for each voice module, you can do audio rate modulation, yes? are the cv inputs all dc-coupled, so that only +9v cv gets through? what about the brown jacks on the rollz modules? they output negative pulses that peter says are safe to patch anywhere on the plumbutter, but they really only work with other brown jacks. Since they output negative pulses, how, on a paper circuit rollz-5, can it ping the avdogs, gongues, and ultrasounds? I’m guessing the white audio outputs would just get half-wave rectified so that only the positive portion of the signal would modulate a cv input, but a negative pulse wouldnt do anything, right? I don’t quite understand it, but I want to understand the voltage standards so that i can make my own ciat-lonbarde compatible circuits for my own banana modular system / format. any info about this stuff?

i don’t know the specifics of his standard. :grinning: just wanted to say that, browns can definitely trig the gongs and ultra-sound filters, but not the av-dogs. av-dogs need the oranges.

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thank you, thats useful to know!

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Pretty sure that I can get everything on rollz-5 to trigger with browns :slight_smile:
I do have mine modded tho - but I didnt mod any of the inputs.

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Same (I only have “brown jacks” on my meng Qi rollz 5…they trigger the av dogs and gongs on there. I’ve not been able to trigger them with standard envelopes from eurorack though (I know I’ve tried gongs can’t remember if I tried the avdogs).

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i was a bit mixed up! the browns do trig everything. it’s the reds on MWTRS that have trouble triggering the av-dogs. :sweat_smile: apologies for the misinformation!

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ohh ok! yea i remember that

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rolz - re-designed based on the oooollld United States of Rolz
Rolz are also modified for each to have a Positive Pulse out.


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