Mobenthey / Ciat-Lonbarde (synthmall) thread

[Thhhh]

Only issue I’ve had was with an oval Fyral w/some ground issues. PP paid to send it back for repairs, but it got lost in the mail. I got a new one at no additional costs.

[crucFX]

You have seen the old pages yourself… the prices actually have not inflated as much as people think…

Here is 2014 for instance.
While sure, the coco is a bit more expensive now, but there are many expensive components in the delays (not pricey pricey by themselves, but when you start adding parts cost, especially now that banana jacks are even over a dollar a piece…)

I honestly do not feel the prices have skyrocketed as much as people make them out to.

The SHNTH has however drastically increased in price, i’ll give you that lol.
Keep in mind, the SHBOBO is 2 people… its not just Peter. (Why does everyone forget about Steve?)

Regarding Cottage Industrialization Process…
Things have changed and there are more machines to run at PP.
Everything still gets a hand touch/finish etc etc.
And it’s not like all the THT parts install and solder themselves

Peter has a family, anyone who has a family wants to do best by their family… regardless of their fans opinions me thinks.
I truly do not feel the prices have drastically increased as much as everyone thinks.
My snip is just one example of the varying prices of CL through the years.

If anything… Peter did not charge enough when he was doing all these by HAND…

[Aomatos]

There is inflation and then there is deflation. Right now inflation is radically lower than it was a few months ago. Did you see any of the makers reducing prices?

@crucFX I bet that if Peter and PP will put the whole line with a 10-15% reduced prices, with the right promotion, they can increase their sales by many times. Their income for them (and their families as you mention) can eventually be much higher. Obviously the move to have their instruments being manufactured by other people means they have to pay the legal wage to their personnel. And I understand that they VALUE their instruments very high. They are all very special. But there is a fine line between valuing your work highly and what the consumer is willing to pay.

[crucFX]

I mean, Peter spent over 20 years working on the cocoquantus.
From the Ambrazier, Tranoe, SRINE AMBRAZIER, FOR-HOR-TOR-TOR, cocolase, cocostuber, cocov1 to the cocoquantus2…
The research and development is his lifetime of work…

Plumbutter -
Plumbutter started with the idea of the formflow synthesizer.
The Rollable synthesizer was the original nabra working with the free-jazz ideas.
Then we have MWTRS, EGongs, Rollz-5, ROOLZ-GEWEI.
This again, is over 20 years of work to bring us what we have today as the plumbutter.

I could go on even for the ovals as those are the ideas of DIN DATIN DUDERO (Fources, Fyrall, DDDm2, Rolz, Duber, Stuber Duber, VDOG, NOBSRINE) It is all a culmination of his body of work.

@uvknhn regarding the “spelling” errors - i think the pages are translated? but if not

remember the old pages where Peter would spell stuff all silly like

[Sidiblue]

I imagine that if PP maintain their current prices, it’s because they can afford to. I see no reason for them to reduce their price by 15 or 20% when sales (I imagine) are going well. I’ve also often been annoyed by PP’s price increases, but then I started to put things into perspective. I’m convinced that it’s more than just greed and that most of these variations are justified in one way or another. Personally, I paid 1400€ for my coco and I know I can sell it for the same price today. The second-hand market is generally well-stocked and offers a good alternative. PP even repaired a second-hand Stuber for me, and I didn’t have to pay anything, not even shipping. Finally, I say to myself that PP is really a good thing for Peter, and even Peter says the same thing. It obviously gives him more time to develop his projects.

[bamboo]

Patch Point is dope… They are really nice people and, if you make the trip, you can use their incredible studio for free. They keep getting more and more ambitious - bringing back the Fenix, come on! Great small business to support.

[barrford]

@Aomatos

There is inflation and then there is deflation. Right now inflation is radically lower than it was a few months ago. Did you see any of the makers reducing prices?

I think a lot of people misunderstand inflation. Inflation is the change in prices. Any inflation above 0% means that prices are increasing.

Inflation is lower than it was, but it is still above 0%, which means prices are still increasing, just at a lower rate than previously.

A lower inflation level from month to month does not mean the price has decreased! I have heard politicians make this error as well.

As for CL prices: they include VAT now.

[crucFX]

I wanna visit there SO BADLY.

[uvknhn]

@crucFX

Why does everyone forget about Steve?

All he has is a little page on the actual CL website. Is he still involved with shbobo, or was it just with the conception of it?

@crucFX

If anything… Peter did not charge enough when he was doing all these by HAND…

For sure.

@crucFX

remember the old pages where Peter would spell stuff all silly like

I get a different feeling. Patch-Point is going for an ice-cold professionalism with their cookie-cut, javascript-laden web design. It’s a storefront, and most of the text is just copied and pasted directly from the CL site. To me, it just seems unprofessional/uncoordinated, as this happened from splitting the ciat-lonbarde category into all the other stores at the mall (They’ve gone back and forth. At one point it was all in the CL category, at another point it was contained in a dropdown menu, now the shards are spread about the navigation bar).

@Sidiblue

PP is really a good thing for Peter

Yeah, I don’t blame him. Everyone wants to live comfortably, it’s not his job to carry CL like Atlus if he doesn’t want to.

[drwiener]

Nice to read some of this discussion here.

Maybe Peter and I should collect and answer the forum questions sometime

I just wanted to chime in on this because it is funny:

I get a different feeling. Patch-Point is going for an ice-cold professionalism with their cookie-cut, javascript-laden web design. It’s a storefront, and most of the text is just copied and pasted directly from the CL site. To me, it just seems unprofessional/uncoordinated, as this happened from splitting the ciat-lonbarde category into all the other stores at the mall (They’ve gone back and forth. At one point it was all in the CL category, at another point it was contained in a dropdown menu, now the shards are spread about the navigation bar).

About the name changes, we want to make sure the customers understand all Peter`s instruments are his, now that they are not all housed on ciat-lonbarde.net so we go back and forth, but now I think there are enough projects to build, that we can keep them separate and find funny ways for the new customers to find out that IFM , DDD and SHBOBO are all Peter Blasser.

About the copy and paste; We really love Peter´s texts, and we don`t really think anyone can explain the instruments quite like him- We are slowly getting all his texts translated into different languages, so people can read them translated well.

Yes we use a template website… None of us are coders, nor do we have a budget to make a website! We are a super small team, so the website and selling is really the last priority! Making the best quality and sounding instruments is the first priority!

[Aomatos]

I think that the message from @uvknhn was a bit akward at least. Don’t feel like you have to explain yourself about why the website looks the way it looks.

But I believe that the community that really loves and supports Peter 's work and yours with PP would really appreciate your point of view about the constant rises of prices across the board.

[uvknhn]

@Aomatos

I think that the message from @uvknhn was a bit akward at least.

Well, now that the dust has settled, how about a paper circuit? It’s a vco based on the tocante thyris oscillator, works well with my ciat-modular.

Quad sawtooth VCO paper circuit

https://uvknhn.6te.net/inst/quad_vco/index.html
PDF is on my website. If you have any questions, feel free to ask.

[crucFX]

Recently I found another early version of GEWEI (upper) that uses a 4046 PLL instead of the 4013 and varactor junction configuration.

I went through and compared it to the GEWEI that evolved into the Deerhorn.
I believe that Peter went with the other configuration to allow for more gestural and performance capabilities.
The 4046 version only has a single antennae and antennae oscillator.
The 4046’s internal OSC takes place of the feedback oscillator (the other antennae) and the antennae is “tuned” through this IC as well.

The circled section is what the GEWEI/Deerhorn use.

The circled section is instead replaced with this ^

Peter showed this to us many many years ago in the deerhorn prototype video
And just recently I realized the one on the right was a different version.
I found in the google docs from the timara section of the website.

Here is the first test with one I just built up!

ciat-lonbarde early GEWEI / Deerhorn prototype paper circuit test

GEWEI Early Version Paper Circuit.pdf (793.9 KB)
GEWEI Paper Circuit.pdf (716.0 KB)

Here is the paper circuit if anyone is feeling adventurous.
Please know, it takes knowledge of this circuit to get these to work, and modifications to the paper circuit as well.
It is not as simple as just building it and powering it up.
I will help when I can, but please know I cannot diagnose everyone’s paper circuits
Take note of the schem I posted above - as it does show the added varicap (trimmer) and it also shows the lowpass filter that leads to the theta buffer.
Take a look as well at the actual GEWEI and you will see some additional 102 and 103 caps that need to be added in specific spots.

** Edit - Mine sounds slightly different than in Peter’s video.
I disconnected the hardwired FM Modulation that came from the Theta Output.
When Peter originally made these - each only had 1 FM input and 1 single CV output - he would then wire the horns together so they modulated themselves and then the horn next to them (this was the Deerhorn Tapestries - which were made up of GEWEI’s)

However I have not added the attenuveters yet. So I don’t show off any fine tune between the 2 bellows in my vid, but it is very easy to add

Other things that can be done -

^ Note on the AUX.
You can probably get a neat mix on this version of gewei if you add it, however, since there is no switch on this version, you cannot mute the internal synth.
That being said, adding the switch is also very easy!

[uvknhn]

When the plumbutter gongues are in gonzo mode, the inputs apparently alter the timbre of the twin-T. Does anyone have an example of what that sounds like, or some kind of equivalence that could be drawn to that?

[Timmoneer]

Just got a Fourses Arpserge working and it’s really bringing me around to the idea of portability & battery power - is there a “house favorite” 9V headphone amp circuit that folks like paring with these builds?

[cwpotter]

The schematic for the amp circuit in the original Fourses and Fyrall is in the Fyrall papers on the CL website (near the end)
https://www.ciat-lonbarde.net/ciat-lonbarde/fyrall/paperz/fyrall/index.html

The FET is a 2n3819 and important as it has a high impedance input and won’t load down the signals coming from the Fourses.
LM386s are available from Tayda and a few other places. I believe the same circuit is used in the Lil Sid paper circuit.

EDIT: sorry @Timmoneer, I missed that you want a headphone amp. This wouldn’t be appropriate, but you could still use the part with the FET and hook that up to an appropriate headphone amp circuit.

[Timmoneer]

No worries - I’m going to try interfacing with some of my 4U stuff too. And I bet the pedal guys have a simple headphone amp or two. In the meantime, it looks like there’s tons of good stuff at that link that I’ve not checked out yet.

[crucFX]

AMP PAPER CIRCUIT.pdf (53.1 KB)
Not really meant for headphones, but might work?
JFET input and 386 for output - does have a vol. pot, so it may be okay, I don’t really use headphones.

[Timmoneer]

Might have to try that, just because it’s so tidy.

[baleen]

sooo does anyone have a lead on an alternative for the MyVolts ripcord? the one spec’d for Ciat is out of stock everywhere and well I could another

thanks!