Yeah I understand these are the positive pulse “orange nodes” from rolzer or plumbutter based on what I read.

ideally, I’m wanting to solve for handling brown node connections on my trigger ins, because the way my meng qi rollz-5 board pcb is set up, it’d be kind of a pain to try to mod for orange nodes.

I’m feeling more confident in the design plan here based on the description. I still need to understand impedance/current more, that part of all this is really confusing to me.

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I think the best way to do this would be the type of mod @crucFX mentions.

I did a little check. with my quadratt in attunverter mode and fully ccw, here’s what I get out of a brown out on an attenuverted cycling even roll. it’s very slightly under 0v with an 8v spike. my guess is it would probably trigger most things but I’m still not quite sure on the current damage possibilities so please don’t just take my word for it.

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EDIT:

so after a side-journey into this stuff, I think I’m gonna leave it be for another project.

I did find out that parts matter! my lm358 opamp would work as a rectifier as you’d expect but the tl07/08 ones would just sort of keep the voltage high. also the 4148 diode, which I guess is faster than 4001, worked much better to get signal through.

But still, it wasn’t really working great. the pulses are much more thin running through the circuit, without the nice decay which helps the trigger sound right. I was getting some pretty cool like hellish audio rate stuff out of triggering some things. example here: (rollz-5 stuff plus gerassic organ making the high pitch squeals)

I think this wants to be it’s own thing, a little box that takes maybe 4 brown nodes and spits out positive pulses, each channel with like 2 knobs, one to control filtering out the blippy noise, and one to control decay). maybe also a format jumbler on the output, so you can then run these into 3.5mm ts or banana

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An update on the incredible mileage I’m getting out of my unfinished rollz-5:

I’ve release a ~55 minute album using just the rollz and ultrasound filters. This release is made based on layering 5 recordings/loops at a time and then playing the mixer to create structure for each piece.

I’m really finding the sounds from these circuits so inspiring and enthusing, and really enjoying trying to coax both rhythmic and melodic sounds from them.

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Workin on Dogvoice PCB’s -

Does anyone know of any modifications for it?

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can’t help with mods, but i recently finished a dogvoice (@mlogger) pcb and wow is it fun. oh not a mod but because i couldn’t find ts914 ics i used a lmc660

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One of the most underrated, unreleased boards from Ciat. I believe this was going to be a Mebenthey module but he never released it for some reason.

Not sure of any particular mods but If you put all those 6 modulation boards (rando, preamp, swoops + anti versions), on 1 pcb that would be a winner. Works well with 104 and 105 and audiorate stuff when I’ve used it. Also great with Rolls. I have always used a TS914 which you need to get from eBay - lots of NOS.

Here’s some info I found and and not quite sure who wrote it originally. I think it was from the Facebook group.

Here’s the quote :

"The original used a TS914 rail-to-rail CMOS opamp, but I substituted a LM324 in my build which seems to work fine. Given the very high frequencies at play and low power situation, you may get noticeably different characteristics by trying different opamps.

The oscillator topology is similar to another of Delton Horn’s “unusual oscillators”, different from the ones in the Rollz-5. As noted on the paper circuits page, one oscillator has a fixed pitch and the other is variable (“P” knob) over a small range. The two oscillators are connected to a comparator and then processed by a transistor ladder filter whose frequency is controlled by the “F” knob and modulation input. Pretty simple stuff.

The “*” capacitor is a DC blocking cap. If you plug audio rate stuff into the filter’s modulation input, it might also affect the variable oscillator’s behavior. More experimenting to do here.

The “V” knob and associated modulation input are interesting. They provide DC offsets for the non-inverting input of the comparator and seem to give a Pulse Amplitude Modulation input (distinct from PWM). Yeah, they control volume, but also interact with the heterodyning of the two oscillators. I’m sure that connecting Swoops and Preamps here will help unpack its behaviors."

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Has anyone ever experienced an issue with cocoquantus where the buffers seem to be really distorted and sample-rate-reduced? I had a nice time with it last weekend but today when I power it up, the stuff I record into it sounds crazy noisy.

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I’ve also had exactly that. Used identical sources and one day have ‘clean’ and perfectly useable material, yet the next time a heap load of noise and unwanted distortion and can’t work out why!
I hope someone might have some advice too!

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it’s a well documented issue on mw. the best recommendation seems to be to make sure the gain is up really high on your inputs. it def helps, in my experience.

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Where is your S knob? This knob directly controls the sample rate.

like this? :smiley:


There is room for onboard power up on the top.

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about 1oclock or so, I’ve tried a few different places.

Looks nice! I would add more swoop/anti swoop instead of randos though.
Swoops can be looped together to get nice weird envelopppes, imho going with only one you really miss the point of them.

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I already had that in mind - and that is why I plan to make a board with 6 of each - Swoops and Anti-Swoops :slight_smile:

I just wanted there to be a “complete” board with all of the modules like @mlogger suggested :smiley:
It has actually evolved already to have on-board Pots :wink:

More details soon

(And yes guys - on this one, I have messaged Peter to ask if I can produce these - I don’t want to get too far ahead of myself)

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I built this tempo-controllable 5/6 rolls box into a cardboard box (it’s my Just Friends box for anyone curious…nearly perfect fit, hah!) I have the power socket and a ground jack coming out of the back.

It’s really great…nice combo of chaotic with ability to dial in (my meng qi rollz-5+ rolls are a bit of a trip right now…the sockets don’t get an amazing connection with the caps so tapping around where i have it or moving a cable may take you in a completely different direction :sweat_smile:) I’ve been messing around a lot with interfacing it with gongs and ultrasounds from the rollz-5+ and various eurorack things.

Had some fun with adding in elements and some white-ish noise from plaits. the rolls are the main rhythm and then they are brought into stages to get some related modulations/triggers.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lKxJh9WDgOBYZTguDn3q-0T1Jxso63ib/view?usp=sharing

And here’s some very silly horn sounds from just friends along with the ultrasounds.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hG8wYaKbo7ysR00GZ8K3LG1mXsbSnufN/view?usp=sharing

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Here’s the bottom (top) side with the pots

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Wow pcbs mounted pots is a really nice move !
I built a second Dogslit a week ago, with 5 swoops and 5 anti swoops. Wiring was a real pain, I thought about making a board with everything pcb mounted to make it easier to build (also have ideas about cnc carved enclosure).


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Exploring Rollz + Gongues:

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can any rollzer owners talk about things they like about owning it? how do you incorporate it into your setup? particularly interested in workflows between rollzer and pb (or coco). been gasing for stuber but i kinda think rollzer would be a smarter buy for me…

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I like it because I can get a greater variety of sounds out of the ultrasound filters due to creating more complex combinations of odd rolls. In general, it increases the possibilities of complex rhythms and available tempos.

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