#1540

super curious about Crow.
I actually know nothing about monome other than I used to really enjoy daedelus’ music lol.
I didn’t even know this was a monome forum up until recently lol, this mobenthey thread is what brought me here.

Do you require a norns or a monome to use Crow or can it be used in a euro environment and be programmed from Max for Live?

So interesting to me!

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#1541

In terms of just computer, you can either use it as a max for live interface (similar to a euro midi interface), or send programs to it over computer usb…it stores the program in memory, so you can either use it unplugged from the computer or you can mess with the code if it’s plugged in.

In terms of integration with other stuff, there’s ways to send crow code from norns code. There’s also i2c on the back so you can send i2c commands to control modules that support that.

I like the coding style a lot, it’s very simple.

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#1542

Someone above had mentioned multiple Swoops within the DOGVOICE board - this is the reason I went with assembling all of the modules to one board -

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That way I could make Swoop its own thingie. :slight_smile:

x6 Swoops. - Slopes? lol.

Everything is panel mounted :slight_smile: zero wiring except for an optional battery clip.

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#1543

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can anyone tell me which 2 chips are required for the Spikering? I can’t seem to find the bom anywhere. looks like the first one is:
https://www.taydaelectronics.com/lm13700-lm13700n-operational-amplifier-ic.html

is this the second one? and if so, can i find it cheaper elsewhere? i’m buying everything else from tayda:
https://www.ebay.com/i/192826584213?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28
or maybe this one?
https://www.taydaelectronics.com/tl074-quad-operational-amplifier-j-fet-pdip-14-tl074cn.html

also, is this right for the poly capacitors?
https://www.taydaelectronics.com/0-1uf-250v-10-polyester-film-box-type-capacitor.html
https://www.taydaelectronics.com/1nf-0-001uf-100v-5-mylar-film-capacitors.html

it’s been a while since I’ve looked at this and i’m realizing i don’t know what any of these circled parts are. I forget a lot of what i learned from building my apcs a while ago as well. The output is just a 1/4" jack i think. and the crown/speaker wire, im not sure what that goes to. just another output jack?

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any help here would be appreciated. i don’t think i realized how difficult this one would be when i got it. I’m building a Rollz5 & Rollz6 along with it, which seem very easy, but im not sure how they interact with one another

the difference between the cross, outlined cross and the cross with spikes also confuses me. those are for connecting to buttons or other circuits?

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#1544

I haven’t built one but I think I can answer some of your questions.
064 is a TL064 quad opamp. A TL074 or TL084 could be substituted. Or possibly a LM324 if you happen to have one.
LM13700 is a dual OTA. There is no substitute, they usually cost a couple of £.
This page is very informative for the spikering:

The entirety of Pugix’s site is excellent for ciat lonbarde info.

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#1545

thanks a lot, that helps

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#1546

today’s fun was trying to interface the 5-6 roolz and gerassic organ breadboard in different ways. in the video I am using crucfx’s 5-6 roolz “orange” outputs to control the buttons, as well as the pitch. I use the gate out for note 0 (aka all notes off) to modulate the verso input of the 5 roll. towards the end I mess with the threshold control on one of the buttons, you can hear how the threshold at which you turn the button on has a big impact when using rollz signal.

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#1547

Fantastic!! :smiley: :smiley:

Awesome to see those proto’s getting some use between you and the other testers :slight_smile:

Here is v1.2

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#1548

Your circled poly cap (hairy cap) is a 472 film capacitor :slight_smile: (only esoterica spikering and chainlock requires them)
Spikering and Rolls are a perfect match!

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#1549

Here’s some info I posted higher up

If you search this particular thread “Spikering” you will find loads of info

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#1550

Little noise sesh.

Super Lil Sid, Rungling, Fourses, and 2-Roll LFO x8.

:smiley:

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#1551

thanks a lot man.

so i got most of this. but still have some questions:

  1. the “Chaos” & “Delay” nodes are connections? i cant figure out what you have those connected to. just an empty wire that i can touch to activate?

2.i’m not 100% on how the connections are made between the two rollz and the spikering. would the best thing be to take the “pulses out”, “chaos” and “delay” to a potentiometer and connect one of the cross outputs of the rollz to the pot as well?

  1. do all cross connections on the rolls get connected together except for one, that goes out to another circuit? i want to connect all 3 circuits in a way where i can select/create different connections either with buttons, switches, or pots if possible. i see in your ig post that you are connecting at least some of the rollz crosses back into one another for recursive feedback. so on each rollz, all cross points get connected, then you take certain crosses from each and patch then to one another across circuits?

  2. do all 3 filter outs go to their own 1/4" output jack?

i’m searching, but i think maybe a diagram between all 3 would be helpful if that exists. the pugix diagram is extremely helpful, but i’m confused at how all 3 are connected

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#1552

The delay node triggers the internal pulser - that’s the main start point / input. You can put triggers in there from Rollz. Different voltages on the chaos input effect the internal pulser to be more chaotic / random and delay knob is a trigger delay. Think of it as a way to control the internal random pulses that fire at the filter.

Even Rolls are sending out triggers and the odd Rollz are send out high frequency stuff. Connect the Rollz together then send everywhere :slight_smile: There are no rules - experiment. The Spikering is a self oscillating star variable filter. So you can send triggers to the delay node input from a Rollz or in Pugix video he used a Piezo. I took the pulses out of Spikering and fed them back into the Rollz.

Each cross on the Rollz has its own dedicated output - in my case a banana jack. So connections are patched together that way. There are no hard wired connections.

Audio Filter outs can also go to banana jacks and recirculated for audio feedback and/or to their own dedicated out 1/4" jacks.

If you fit a switch mod to disable the internal pulser you can use the Spikering as a regular state variable filter and use the delay note as an audio input.

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#1553

Some AV Dog Modifications

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Triggering with my 2-Roll LFO x8

** Not shown in the diagram - Pot on the Y Resistor as well. A100k

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#1554

I was wondering about the various Tocante (Tocantes?) as well. Do you have any experience with the bistab, or the bass variants? I like the sounds I’ve heard that have slow attacks and kind of a moderate amount of harmonics, that seem to get more complex/intense with more notes (or maybe just more skin contact?) held. From your description, Thyris sounds like a good place to start for me as well.

The Karp seems interesting, but I’m concerned that 8-bit microcontroller sound quality would bug me, along with a comparative lack of said cross-note interaction - from demos online and what I understand of it, I’m reminded of the sound of the Bastl Kastle, which I am not super fond of. Also, it seems that it only makes sounds with plucky attacks. However, Meng Qi had glowing praise for it. And the glitchy stuff from the middle sounds really cool.

I have never interacted with any synthmall stuff so it’s very probable that I’m missing something that would make sense if it were under my fingertips :slight_smile:

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#1555

Got my heavily modified Rollz-5 in progress - need to finish up the rollz and USF sections - here is a demo of the stereo mixer with Gongs and AVDogs being triggered by my 2-Roll LFO x8.

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#1556

a 5 minute CHAOS Performance with my modified Rollz-5, 2-Roll LFO x8, and FOURSES Tarp

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#1557

Minimal Sidrax experiments

One of each: ball bounce, finger tab, nut roll and blow on the bars. Into Coco loopers with square wave modulation.

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#1558

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Is my understanding correct that this is how a format converter for banana to 1/4" would be wired?

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#1559

that’ll werk
…

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