#43

There is a faint memory of you asking if I do acknowledge your points as you do with mine - I thought I have read it during a sleepless period oft last night and felt I had to respond but now I cannot find it. So maybe it was just an urgent dream. :slightly_smiling_face:

Anyway, taking that experience serious, of course I do acknowledge your points. And also I do really appreciate that we can discuss these things here, as this is hardly possible with the moderation over at MW. It’s what makes Lines a different place.

I find this is a bit polemic as spam and pure hatespeech are not meant to be mutual communication but simply a manipulative attack. I would not consider both as adult behavior in the intended sense here.

I can understand your point regarding the more technical discussions though. I would also prefer those threads to be focussed and not somehow muddled. Especially since I do not understand most of that talk but nevertheless, due to the opensource/diy development philosophy of monome devices, need to somehow participate or at least follow those discussions to get my set-up working. I really appreciate your commitment and want you to have an environment where working on things is fun and practicable for you, knowing that it’s sometimes me deranging things with uninformed questions and concerns, not having a tech background.

Maybe my point is just that heavy handed content management might not work that good with non-technical or broader subjects. Now we have a commemoration thread that with a discussion of the appropriateness of his nickname and a thread about the situation over at MW that seems a bit cold-hearted in its focus regarding the sad circumstances. People are people I guess…

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#44

my decision to split the discussion was done out of respect and compassion. to mix the two topics seemed to me a tragedy. the goal of moderation is to make better discussions. there is not room for eulogizing and contentious critique in the same thread. people should have the choice to read/participate in one and/or the other separately.

i have no intention of censoring the MW topic (provided it stays within the COC)

i fully understand your discomfort with splitting. we’ve attempted to be minimal and transparent, and we’re always listening and responding to feedback. please let us know how we can do better.

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#45

Wondering why this thread

is separate from this one…

They seem very similar…

Just saying…

#46

The “//// pictures …” topic is not modular specific. At one point someone wanted a place to specifically share modular system photos, and it took on a life of its own.

Since there is a high volume of modular photos I can see why having a separate topic for that makes sense, so they won’t completely drown out the pics of other types of “sound-making machines”.

Open to other perspectives…

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#47

Thanks, just curious, not trying to move anything in a specific direction…

#48

It seems to me that the “show us your modular system” thread started as a “modulargrid plans” sharing place, with some room for evolving/envisioned systems and discussion/feedback about it, and did not feature much photographs (in the beginning).
Also pictures there tend to be taken with the intent of making it legible what modules constitute a particular system, whereas the general pictures thread features some plants and feels more about providing context around the gear, or an “artist’s impression” of it.
Just my synthetic perception of the two topics.

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#49

Yes, that’s absolutely true. The “modular system” thread didn’t start out as a photo share at all, it was to share modular grid or images of your system for discussion and sharing system building ideas.

It’s sort of evolved into more photos, but still feels different than the more widely scoped photos thread(s) which are more akin to our own private instagram in some ways :slight_smile:

#50

Not sure if this is the perfect topic to ask this question, but don’t want to start a new one: are there not meant to be album release topics anymore? Everything goes to “latest tracks”? I may have missed something but not sure this change was made clear to everyone and not sure what the thinking is behind it, seems like what the “releases” category is for…

context: Latest tracks + videos

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#51

Not really sure what you’re asking.
The https://llllllll.co/c/releases category is still there and indeed is for album release threads.
Though as stated in the “about the Releases category” post:

please help facilitate discussion by providing context for the release.
lone links with sparse description will be merged into https://llllllll.co/t/latest-tracks-videos

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#52

that answers my question thank you, sorry I missed that context—thought I’d checked all the places didn’t realize all the categories have “about” sections! :slight_smile:

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#53

Yes, these can indeed sometimes get hidden. There does not seem to be a way to keep these sticky for everybody, so depending on the individual settings they might just do what all other topics do: move down as new ones are posted.

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#54

As often, I get frustrated because I’m not a native English speaker. “Providing context” and writing exciting stuff about the release is not an easy task when English is not your language.
More generally, I don’t feel comfortable with the general assumption that everybody is fluent in English. I admit that I’m super complexed to post on this forum, although I enjoy reading stuff here and following your ideas and discussions.

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#55

Thanks for highlighting this point!

English is my native tongue but I read/speak a few others. I love the international mix of users here and honestly wouldn’t mind if there were more conversations in other languages.

Until mods say otherwise please feel free to share context for your releases in French (or any other language you feel comfortable with).

We all have access to Google and other auto-translation tools. Worst case scenario, if somebody cannot figure out what you’ve said after such translators fail/fall short of expectations, they can ask you or another bilingual user for help.

(…Likely to be an interesting discussion highlighting nuances in your creative process.)

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#56

It should also be said that it’s fine to post about an album release without much added context, that’s what the latest tracks&videos thread is there for.
The reasoning behind the “providing context” rule mentioned above is that it’s not as useful and interesting to have threads where somebody only posts a link or an embed to an album. Threads are here for discussion and sharing or ideas/thoughts. An album without much added context does not give as much to discuss about and does not give much insight into the process, ideas and “making of” of the album.

This is not to say that an album without added context can’t result in an intreresting discussion sometimes, but it’s less likely. Also I think we all want to avoid becoming a place where people just “drop by” to post about their latest release.

This said, the native language topic is indeed an interesting one. We all default to English because it’s the most widely spread foreign language for people coming from non-English speaking countries, but it’s definitely a status quo worth challenging and approaching in a critical way.
I was just thinking about this while watching this documentary film about an orchestra conductors competiton the other day. There were people from over 14 countries, the jury was speaking German, Italian and English, and the languages used to communicate were very different and not always English, since some people were better in German or Italian than English as a second language (maybe because of studies abroad).
I guess this might be a topic by itself though.

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#57

Started a topic:

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#58

I - an English speaker - don’t really know/understand/grok the word “hegemony” and wonder if non-native speakers would make sense of that thread title.

#59

I guess we all need to get acquainted with various dictionaries, eh?

I’m not proposing to make things easier for the reader. I’m proposing to make things easier for the writer.

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#60

“Hegemony” makes total sense for a french speaker living in france[^1] since its direct — and homophonic — translation is often used in direct conjunction with the USA. :smiley:

[^1]: not knowing how that word is perceived in the rest of francophonie, i felt the precision was needed.

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#61

One comment I’d like to make now that I have a little distance from the event, it would have been nice if the mods would send a reminder about the rules before a refiling to the Latest Tracks thread, and give folks a chance to add context. Finishing my first ever EP and having the announcements moved to a mega thread felt like a kick in the teeth. An opportunity to add context would have been nice.

Edited to add: I didn’t complain at the time, because I’m sure that the mods have a tough job. Maybe just a little more empathy next time around?

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#62

we perhaps need to add a template to the releases category, which reiterates the intended use of the category

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