Do you remember the patch you made for this track? It’s very interesting sounding and different from how I’ve heard the MS20 patched before!

thanks. a lot of that album was also focusing on how to get a synthesizer to not sound like a synthesizer, which is something I aim for most of the time. I do keep notes, but more for personal use.

I found over time the real trick with the MS is to really not follow the patching rules for how you think a monosynth should work since it isn’t any ordinary one, and have kinda worked out my own idiosyncratic method of “playing” the thing- trying out weird connections or combinations, odd sequencing things, using some DIYed passive circuits as part of the patching, tuning things in ways you normally wouldn’t think would result in something “useful”. because the MS behaves so differently in terms of its strange voltages, leaky VCAs, self noise, temperamental resonance, so on, I think it can lend itself really well to developing very personal ways of playing it. I think a lot of people are just stuck on the idea of it being an industrial synth or really noisy bass machine or something like that.

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I don’t think it’s controversial to say folks, consciously or not, will acquire (or shun) gear because of an association with an artist, track, or genre. That naturally pigeonholes thinking from the start, and does little to encourage moving past prescriptive, “classic” sounds or roles.

If you’ll excuse the Friday-night metaphysics, perhaps when we regard these objects as tool rather than instrument we fall into a trap that limits both them and ourselves.

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true, I guess most people buy stuff because they say “oh, I need that sound” or “if I have this then I can do THIS, but until I do I can’t do anything like that” which may or may not be true, but we are good at convincing ourselves of it.

I always think of this Jim O’Rourke interview in Time Out- " Yeah. I’m not saying some musicians are better, it’s just their sensibility is… I don’t like Musicians, you know what I mean? They like their instrument – I don’t understand that. I don’t understand liking your instrument, it’s just a pain-in-the-ass thing you have to use in order to do what you want to do. Having an interest in your instrument – I don’t understand it, it just makes no sense to me. Why don’t you just stay home and caress it and stuff? Why are you playing for people?"
While I feel he is being facetious here, I think there is quite some merit to this way of thinking. Wrestle and struggle with your instrument, push it to new places, develop new ways of playing with it, if it isn’t serving your purpose put it down and find something new rather than letting it dictate the art form. Not trying to intentionally speak ill of that scene or go on a total rant, but a lot of what I see in “modular scene” or whatever one wants to call it is just this- big love for the instrument itself and its supposed capabilities. But where does it get us? Piles of tutorials and (to my ears at least) lots of uninteresting stylistic exercises, clones, and incredibly unprogressive music given what said instrument COULD be capable of. Not to beat up on synths the same could be said of other instruments or artistic forms of expression, guitars probably being the most obvious other one to me.

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Been looking into the ms20 mini vs the desktop module. Read a lot of posts about the mini feeling really cheap and, therefore, more people have preferred the desktop module. can anyone speak for or against this? We are thinking about getting one at the studio.

I can only speak for my individual unit but my mini is definitely not the best built but the most important knobs on it, such as the filter knobs, are sturdy, whereas smaller knobs are a bit wobbly.
It doesn’t feel fragile and it has never bothered me, though.

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that’s good it’s never bothered you. not sure what we’re going to opt for, we have a couple midi keyboards that we could always attached to the desktop unit…

thanks for your input!

In the video I linked above I think he mentions having the some of the Mini’s patch sockets come away with the cable. For heavy use, the Module has an advantage because they are secured to the panel.

Anecdotally, I feel the form-factors are somewhat transposed. Lacking the keyboard leaves the Module unnecessarily large and spread out; conversely, the Mini’s compact size leaves the keyboard feeling a little … vestigial.

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oh great, i’ll check out that video - thanks!

I agree that the small knobs feel a bit wobbly but it has never really bothered me and it never crossed my mind that it felt cheap. I have used my MS20 mini extensively and have travelled with it a lot and nothing has ever broken.

I think there is something nice about having the keyboard, modwheel and button that I would miss in the module version.

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main thing the desktop module has going against it is that like the full size kit, it has been discontinued, so you would have to wait for a used one to come up for sale which isn’t all that often and people don’t let them go particularly cheap. I do wish Korg would do another round of them. where the mini is available new at any time, and used the prices are what I consider very good for a capable synth - around 350 in the US, maybe a tiny bit more in Europe, but can certainly be found for a deal if you are patient.

also the desktop has the 2 filter modes, if you think the noisy/hissy filter will be an issue for you then don’t bother with a mini, you’ll either have to learn to love that as part of its character or you’ll wind up getting rid of it anyway. also the desktop is easier to interface with other studio gear with the larger jacks if that is your thing. I also recall that the voltages on it aren’t reversed like on the original/mini?

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I’ve never used the desktop but love my mini. When I got it I was told that it was flimsy and the were notorious for breaking but it feels fine to me. Sure, it’s relatively cheap plastic, but nothing has ever broken or felt like it was particularly likely to. For what it’s worth it’s probably my favourite monosynth purely because it’s got a bit of alien in it - like the hissy filters mentioned above. You can conjure up odd things with it and it feels like it wants to make something akin to Radiophonic Workshop sounds - even more so when you combine it with a spring reverb!

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just another anecdote here, but my bandmate has been using the same MS-20 mini for a few years now, lugged it to several gigs, played it for hundreds of hours, done just about everything to it and so far it hasn’t broken in any way. I will say that they are awkwardly shaped and difficult to carry around-- neither long and thin like a keyboard, nor compact and square like a tabletop unit.

we love the MS-20 because it feels organic, imprecise, unknowable, and temperamental. it continues to surprise us all the time and certainly has the depth of an “instrument” in the traditional sense. I would say it is possible to achieve virtuosity on an MS-20.

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That it can do alien otherworldly sounds and then this simply blows my mind:

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While I don’t love or hate the shape of the MS, I think everyone is in agreement that it sucks for touring, even if its nice for playing live. Anyone tried flattening out one of the minis? Also on my to-do list when I get one for modding. Kinda like what this person did with an MS-10: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3207/971/1600/DSCN0192.jpg
I haven’t opened the back on the mini in a long time, but I recall it basically being hollow minus some spare cable coiled up and a magnet on the power supply cable I assume is to prevent hum/interference since it doesn’t have a big honking transformer in there like the original.

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I didn’t find one where they haven’t removed the keys but I’ve seen a couple people flatten theirs into modules on Reddit. This one in particular shows a lot of the process: https://imgur.com/a/3T5Yt

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Thanks for the link.
I’d imagine for removing the keys its just a matter of disconnecting those jumper cables. Glad to see it looks like the clearance is there though if you move the power supply board.

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20 characters of Blackboard Edition?

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I tried modulating the filter of my MS20 with bytebeat modulation from Ornament & Crime via English Tear, and wow… So cool to make a 40 year old synth produce digital like sounds! Unfortunately no sound clips, but I can record some next week.

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This is stunning! Been thinking of picking up a mini again, tempted to attempt this and do all the other mods while it’s open.

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