Yeah that’s very fair. I forgot that one of my common Mungo gestures is a the “scootch neutral, resume zoomed in”.

I personally prefer a latching switch for my zoom duties. It’s easy enough to remember to switch it back to center when needed, and I like to leave my d0 zoomed in whenever I’m using it for phase-shift level delays (which is a ton of the time).

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right on, so, sounds like a mixed bag depending on both module function and use cases…i’ll report back in when i have something to zoom in on or out from. thanks for the feedback all!

This evening I took receipt of a v0 from John. The recent discussion here about spectral processing piqued my interest and I couldn’t quite keep it at bay. I really wished to find out for myself what it’s like. I managed to get the order in before the years changed, so my resolution of having a purchase-free 2021 remains unviolated. It helps to have little rack space and to limit oneself to either Mungo or NLC!

The v0 has undergone a hardware revision consistent with those of g0, d0 and c0/1, so it may be that John is revising others of his 0 series modules as well.

I requested a tweak, namely assignable CV control. What was the filter width CV in can now be switched between filter width, analysis decay and band count.

I look forward to getting to grips with the module and will share useful knowledge (if any) and audio when I have enough familiarity with it

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man, this seriously bums me out.

i managed to find a (older one, apparently) and yeah, i really wish that band count had been cv controllable now that i actually have it in hand. only had it for about a week, and i finally built a zoom switch the other day, but right now i’m still struggling to get anything out of it thats even remotely like what i imagined and/or hoped it could do.

if you come up with any tricks that one could apply to an older revision, please share, and i’ll do the same!

So far as I know (which isn’t much for certain) the new revision is functionally identical to the old – one notable difference is no longer requiring 5V power.

My immediate impression is like yours – it’s a pretty fantastic bandpass filter / envelope follower combo, but vocoder mode is going to take a while to get to grips with! I’m not immediately getting those desired sounds either.

Mungoes are quite surprisingly obtuse and frustrating at first. Let’s see how we get on with a bit more time.

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challenge accepted!

my other handicap here is this is my first exposure to the zoom functionality, so i’m sorta fighting a couple battles on different fronts, and once in a while i stumble on this sweep spot, then totally lose it…haven’t even tried any cv control yet, just trying to find my place!

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I’m about to order a couple of Mungo modules and figured I’d need a new power supply with more +5V juice until I read the quote above. Have the power requirements changed and is the user guide no longer accurate regarding that?

Also, much appreciation for all the information and great examples! New user here and reading through this thread has been very valuable.

Edit: Ha, it was a case of R(to the end of)TFM. All the revisions, including the new power requirements, are listed on the last page of the user guide.

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Welcome to the forum and to the thread! Let us know how you get on with your purchases. :slightly_smiling_face:

I know the feeling. It does become second nature before long though! You’re starting with what may be one of the odder Mungoes, which hardly helps (I think w0, g0 and m0 for instance are easier to grasp)

Thanks! Having spent many years working with Gotharman gear I feel ready for whatever challenges the Mungos might bring. :slight_smile:

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This post requires a disclaimer: I am not really a technical person at all, and not particularly familiar with either the history or the engineering of vocoders. I come at all this mainly artistically, and at a more or less clueless (but keen to learn) user end. I’ve been reading a bit on the subject.

I think I’m getting a sense of what v0’s about. Its being a contemporary digital module I suppose I expected something a bit closer to e.g. Ableton’s vocoder, which can put out all that murky FFT-filtery stuff. But this appears more of a classic analogue vocoder simulation, albeit with some very wide parameter ranges.

Here is something I had out of it tonight that I quite liked. Analysis input was a vocal sample from g0. Synthesis input was the custard output from brain custard, which was being controlled with three gate patterns. Synthesis output was mixed with a noise wavetable attenuated by v0’s residual voiced/unvoiced output. I had LFOs controlling base frequency and band count a little bit.

Will try something a bit more tonal next time.

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yeah, this is also kinda where i landed at today while working with it. i actually dialed in something i quite liked but then i couldn’t find my dumb usb cable for my interface so i let it go to the ether. i’ll get it on the next round!

but yeah i def had a moment where i said to myself ‘stop looking for ableton horsepower here and use this to its strengths’ and once i sorta started treating it a little more like how i imagine the c1 operates, then the fog started to lift a little. and actually the big a-ha moment was realizing the really big difference here is the v0’s lack of a formant shift, which is what i relied so heavily on in earlier experiments…

…and like the c1, based on your demos up thread, it does seem wholly dependent on what you throw at it in terms of dialing in base frequency and band width.

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It’s most definitely like c1 in this regard. Results have been all over the place as I’ve tried various inputs. The interaction of base frequency, width and band count is more complex than I expected. Beginning to get quite excited about it all nevertheless.

Hey everyone, I recently had the opportunity to get a storage strip module for my mungo family.

I’m uncertain on the exact configuration of the zoom jumper cables.

Could someone give me a hand?

Attached images show what I’ve got now.
I have the cables on the middle pins on the d0 and g0 is that right>

Any help would be really appreciated. I haven’t plugged anything in yet in case they explode

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Seems good. You can daisy chain the zoom pins instead if it’s easier. Don’t plug anything into the ground or 3.3V rows though.

Works great.
Thanks for the heads up :star:

Can anyone with a g0 and storage strip chime in -

Does loading a new preset with the storage strip always cause the g0 to load a new wav file?
Even with the same sample loaded it seems to access the card and try to load it. Makes using the ‘clock’ feature on the Storage Strip impossible with the g0

ok, starting to make some v0 progress, here is a little thing i managed to capture today

a short droning loop caught in a tyme sefari with its pitch sequenced, this hits the synthesis input in v0

quanta noise from a quantum rainbow 2, this hits analysis on v0

this is the result, with a wonky envelope from kermit modulating the base frequency, the band count is set…i dunno somewhere zoomed out around 1 o clock, and just kinda wiggling the decay control here and there. its getting there…

onward!

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What exactly are these things on the back of the c1?

Fab textures. I had a cool thing going earlier with a gate going into the analysis latch, but a few tweaks later it all vanished into the great span of fleeting values that is a rookie-operated Mungo. Having some noise-floor issues as well; all my Mungoes seem to give off a fair bit of noise. I think it’s probably just that some of the ranges that interest me the most happen to be those near the processing thresholds.

But I’m enjoying learning as I go along. I’ve found the following discrete functions in m0:

  • 3→1 audio mixer with inverting gain
  • 3(4)→1 CV mixer
  • ring modulator (with attenuverting envelope assignable to carrier modulation)
  • AD/AR envelope (or gated LFO, or at audio rates, adjustable-waveform sawtooth/triangle oscillator) with trigger delay
  • sequencer (with gates patched into modulation, channel 1, channel 2, channel 3 and envelope trigger, and the envelope assigned to modulation amount, you can make complex, semi-slewed CV patterns)

Nothing unique to Mungo but a solid utility.

I think you will have to ask John. My guess is they are full debug headers for all inputs and outputs to use with a custom test jig. Maybe ISP, too.