I have two sons, the oldest is 4.5 years old and the youngest is 14 months. I make music every day, whether in the computer or on my modular. That time might be a few hours after they go to sleep or for 5 minutes when I can sneak it. I’m very lucky to work from home so can steal studio time at lunch breaks etc. I’m also very lucky to have an incredibly supportive wife who understands when I need some dedicated time for show prep/release production.

Children really help you focus. I remember reading an interview with Karen Gwyer where she said basically “I have no time to fiddle around, when I sit down i need to record my ideas”. It’s freeing in some ways. I also spend a lot more time thinking about the music/sounds I want to make, this helps a lot! Also kids are amazing studio companions, infinitely curious and fun.

One thing I will say about young children is that they are only this young once, and it’s really priceless. I’d give up making music forever for them, without hesitating.

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I’ve nodded my head so many times in agreement while reading this (our daughter turns 1 this week) - great topic. Focus, being absolutely ok with not having much “me time”, enjoying watching this baby turn into a person and realizing it only happens once (and quickly!), etc all ringing bells.

When I was 19 I joined a band on a big indie label right as family started to (rightfully) take over the band leaders life (I was 8 years younger than him). I was frustrated that we couldn’t tour more but I totally understand it now. I don’t know how bigger artists establish that balance but I’m glad/fortunate that music is very much just a hobby for me at this point.

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I would also like to say that norns has been such an amazing device during this period. 20 minutes left in her nap but don’t have the energy to leave the couch? grab it off the shelf and mess around - ooh, that sounds good - record directly to internal storage to explore later.

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There is a great Podcast for new parents called ‘The Longest Shortest Time’ which seems to sum it all up so well…

@Puscha I felt the same thoughts before my first chid was born and a lot of do I want a child questions… But it doesn’t have to be an either or situation… You can have the family and still keep doing the creative, its just about finding the balance that works.

Also what hasn’t been said yet in this thread is the positive influence the kids have on your creativity… I made quite a lot of tender ambient stuff after becoming a parent and my first ever SC post was this track for my son Arlo https://soundcloud.com/audio-obscura-music/piece-for-arlo-peace

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i mean, i think it’s a huge question for a lot of people – it’s an uncertainty i’ve certainly struggled with. i’ve actually been wishing for a series of interviews about this exact topic with artists (especially musicians) i respect, just to see how ‘successful’ people integrate music + family. i bet you’d get lots of varying approaches and feelings about it, but maybe some central, helpful tenets would emerge too (as others’ replies above have indicated). nice to see people thinking about this here.

for a while i had a lot of the same misgivings for the same reasons that people have already mentioned. can’t claim to have reached any definitive conclusions, but for me, it seems like if you love your partner, have faith in your relationship together, and just keep talking openly with each other, the answer will come. (we’re expecting our first child next month.)

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we do this as best we can and it can make things seem difficult and awkward at the time but it’s worked for 15+ years so…

also i have a longer reply to the general topic but i am the primary caregiver of my two year old so…

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90% of the work I would do on music happened after my wife went to sleep. Since having a kid it pretty much stayed the same. Luckily since I’ve existed on about 5-6hrs or sleep for decades I was also well equipped to deal with fatherhood.

So if you do well with little sleep then you already have a leg up.

My daughter turned nine this summer… it really is amazing how time flies.

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I produce most of my music during night time (from 9pm till 1am).
9pm-10pm - relax (listening music from friends, new fron itunes subscription, meditation, maybe even computer games)
10 pm -12 pm -trying to create something new
12 pm - 1am - trying to record results. It’s most difficult phase and obvious reason of lack of releases (not more 1 release per year). Maybe I need to collaborate with other night-shift musician to be more productive))
Only during live jams/performances I can go away from home during daytime and play with friends.

Before I was married I have a lot more time and space for music but I prefer nowadays. Being a father/mother is a very unique feel and responsibility. I need to work a lot and this means I can see my daughter almost only on weekend. She is very near to her 4th birthday and I cant say that I have seen her enough in her 1yo, 2yo. I highly recommend to spend more time with you children when they are so young. At 10 they will think that we are just their old fathers/mothers with outdated music and archaic musical instruments.

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My and my partner expecting our first child in about three months and we’re planning to stay at home both of us. It’s going to eat up all our savings but I guess no money in the world could bring back that time together with your child. Also seeing this as an enormous privilege being able to this, I would regret if we didn’t.

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Great romantic idea!
(very IMO) but I highly recommend you to save some money especially on the first year. A lot of doctor’s visits, clothes that are changed every 2month.

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True! Fortunately we have free health care here and have already piled up clothes from friends and relatives - but there’ll probably not be any more module purchases for a few years…

Spending as much time as you can with your child is something me and my partner have decided to do since we know she was pregnant.

I do work 4days/week and she does the same now so that I will be on Fridays with my son and she will be with him on Mondays, weekends are family time and Tuesday to Thursday nursery time.
Living in London, we are broke…cost of childcare is unbelievable but we are happy with that.

So be prepared to be broke and not have much time but also be prepared to a lot of joy.
It is important to be focused and try to make the most of your time when he/she is asleep.

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I just sent mine off to college, believe it or not.

When I first had my kid, I thought I was all about being a performing musician - it turned out to be tough to balance that with the time and attention a newborn demands (and also splitting that responsibility 50/50 with my spouse).

Eventually, I ended up getting into music production instead of gigging. What worked best was to get up at 5:45 AM and give myself a hour of production time before I got ready for work. It didn’t interfere with family time, and, more importantly, made me commit to a regular time every day for making music (literally the best thing I could have done).

When my daughter got older, we would mess around in the studio together. I got back into composing and she became a solid singer and instrumentalist, so she would play on my demos :slight_smile: I started performing again with other parents in the neighborhood, and when I had casual free improv sessions at my house, she would hang out and listen and color.

It was a different life from what I wanted at 22, but who knows anything at 22? I remember the neighborhood family singalongs much more fondly than the gigs in some slimy bar with a guitarist blasting out the pentatonic blues scale at ear-piercing levels at 1 AM.

Family + music makes a full life, not sure I need anything else. If I could have done anything differently, I would have devoted my time to family and then music and cut out the irrelevant nonsense like message boards (I guess I still haven’t put that lesson into practice!).

I guess my unsolicited advice to those trying to find the balance is that personal self-actualization time is important, and supporting your family (in every way) is important too.

(This thread reminds me of author J. Robert Lennon, who cranked out an album of 100 very short pieces of music (which I can’t seem to find now), all of which he wrote and recorded while his kids were napping.)

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my son is (only) two. I’ve been making music (or trying to haha) for over 20 years. I went to grad school from 2003-5 and while maybe not the intention of most people who go to grad school I wanted to be able to still have a creative practice while employed, and I learned how to navigate the ebbs and flows of creativity and how to work on things when I’m not inspired, and how to produce work I don’t like even if I feel quite inspired, how to have periods of low productivity and how to take advantage of fertile weeks or months.

right now I have “nap time” (~1p-3p) and “night time” (8p-10p or so) as windows to work on anything. sometimes this is blowing up robots on my phone, or reading or applying to jobs. sometimes this is practicing and recording, or listening and editing.

yeah this is greatly reduced from what it was before I had a kid, and had a big two-three hour window between when I got home from work and when my wife did, and then the rest of the night after we ate, and no one to wake up for besides myself. which was different from my world from 2008-2012, which was different from 2005-2008.

the constant is that I love and need to work on my music. I do not have a masterpiece I’m failing to create because of my family obligations. I love my family obligations. my last job was with children so this life is just a continuation in a new town. on weekends we very often get to the wilderness or explore our new city. these are things that inspire me, that balance and expand my perspective.

since having our son I’ve still produced albums and performances I’m incredibly happy with. what I’m not doing is building up the archive of work that i used to work from when producing collections or albums. that’s a small change but sometimes makes me feel like “I’m getting nothing done” but that’s a perspective problem not a practice problem.

the paths I am seeking to emulate are those of artists and musicians whose creative practice spans their entire life, their changes in professions and growth of their family.

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yeah, for me it is about time management and living on very, very little sleep. my daughter is now 5 and things are the most balanced they have been since she was born. the best part is how her presence has radically changed my aesthetic (far more positive) and how fruitful the time constraints have been artistically.

i spend a LOT of time at my dayjob and getting there and back. and when i am home and the kid is awake i try to be present for her so music time is pretty limited at home. so I thought i would try to make use of this commuting time and started bringing my instruments with me to work with the hope of finding a few minutes to compose and record something by stopping somewhere on my commute. this has worked out very nicely and having so little time to work has made me faster and more efficient at writing/recording/performing. so that has been a nice plus. but the larger thing for me is i want my kid to be happy, so i try to show her that, i am not always successful but it is far better to try that then not. and, her innate positivity has had a profound affect on me and the music i create.

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So many honest and inspiring responses in this thread, I find it quite moving!

One thing my wife and I talk about is setting an example for our children in terms of being an artist. I want my children to know it’s completely normal for an adult to work a day job, have a family, and have a creative practice. That’s important to us.

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Not a parent myself and I’m not in a place to think about that just yet. Still, read the whole thread. These topics and the varied opinions, experience, and thoughtfulness you all put into them is what I love most about this forum.

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Father of 2 here (two boys, first 5y and 2nd 8 months). What can i add that hadn’t been said?

For me, i would say becoming a parent let you see your goals and the time you think they need to be achieved a bit differently.

There’s a form of “hypocondriac mindset” that can make you see your time as a form of capital you have to use with great care. As if it was the most precious thing in the world, the key to all achievements etc.

In fact, it’s not.

Time is not something we own or preserve, it’s only something meant to be used. Having more or less of it doesn’t seem to me as the real question.

Maybe i’m wrong, but i feel there will always be people who will never find “enough” time, and will see everything as an obstacle in their way : a day job, a partner, a child etc. Focusing on the mean becomes then the best way to forget the goal, or to loose oneself in procrastination, doubt etc.

For example i’ve realized how much of my time where spent (before i had my first child) on sterile egotic ruminations, half-baked tentatives and most of all … in sleep! What a waste… Parenthood made me think more clearly about myself.

You can’t lie or tell yourself bullshit when you have to go to work after a night crushed by a new born. You’re in for the real thing. It’s not a trap, it’s what you do. And it’s more solid than the ideas you may have had about what you may be worth or what awaits you if you manage to succeed here or there. At least that’s the way i felt it.

I don’t think productivity or achievement depends that much on time in the end. Much less in fact than we tend to think. It’s the way we see through time what we want to do, not the mean we think we need to do it.

It’s not about preparation, it’s about getting any job done in fact.

And to be honest, i find now quite liberating to know there’s always something more important than “my” time.

(Hope it’s not too “patronizing”! Never said i can’t feel frustrated sometime huh!)

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we’re a family…
we’ve always tried to bring it all together, the whole time :slight_smile:



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It can be hard, but thats basically due to us grownups not being able to embrace change quickly-small kids are masters at changing/moving forward on a daily😃
And your balance of doing something for yourself and constantly having to pamper your child will get better with the ability of your child being able to function better without your help-this is a big success for the kid and will make you proud parents!
My kids are 11 and 8 and yeah we had a fair share of making music together whenever they wanted to know what exactly i‘m doing with all these knobs and cables-my daughter namedrops ‚this is mäss by meiknoise‘ in front of her friends :joy:and of course this makes me smile and proud having somehow done something right. Just now me and my wive realise that in very few time the kids want their freedom and are actually way more selfsufficient than we thought…So enjoy your first 5 years with the new family member, these are VERY important for them and will be the happiest times for you! In retrospect life slows down incredibly and for me that was a blessing, even on the front of taking naps, these became a regular​:smiley:i even think taking naps made me concentrate more during the little time i have for myself…

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